Watch Night of the Living Dead W/ The Walking Dead EP Greg Nicotero

published on July 2, 2020





































































































hello and welcome to watch from home

theater our way here at IGN and cinah

fix to watch movies together even while

we're a part and today we are watching

Night of the Living Dead and good news

is we'll be streaming the whole movie

right here on the stream and you can

watch it along with us or it is also

available for free and a handful of

places if you want to get it on a second

screen there are links down in the

description for different platforms

where you can go and find it if you want

to set it up on a different screen so I

personally rewatched it on canopy if you

are like me and all about that public

library life get on that but it's going

to be a really fun conversation watch

along commentary again we're streaming

the video the streaming the movie right

here it's obviously not a living dead

crazy influential movie and joining me

this evening in our cozy little live

string we have IGN's Lucy O'Brien how

you doing I am well thank you this is

just such a delight and that a living

doing my favorite films of all time and

of course our very special guest the

executive producer oftentimes director

of The Walking Dead special effects

master Greg Nicotero thank you so much

for being here Greg hey hi thanks for

thanks for having me I appreciate being

invited to your studio I'm in life yeah

no that's great this this is a has been

a really fun thing for us to even while

we're I mean I'm here in a corner of my

garage I see you know your your your

home you've got a handful of things is

that so that's a pod from 2001 back Gary

well listen I mean one of the greatest

things about growing up a massive movie

fan and a special-effects artist is I've

been able to build pretty much

everything that I ever wanted when I was

kid like I love lost in space

I love jaws I love Daley and all these

movies that

would that influence me when I was

growing up I've been able to either

acquire props from the original movies

or recreate them so this room that I'm

sitting in is kind of like my little

display room in my house we can you know

do you mind giving us a quick little

tour what do you got back that's a

little thing to the right that I see

just like a really tiny little detail it

seems like unplug okay I'm gonna take

you guys around we're gonna walk around

that is yeah okay so here's that's from

a friend of Mines Wang oh my god made

underneath it behind it there's the

original crate from Creepshow how cool

it is tucked there because I haven't

didn't have a chance to move that

there's a model of the Nautilus from

20,000 Leagues and then there's my lost

in space robot which by the way he

turned her but I don't have a free hand

to turn him on

sure and then here's some various props

from different movies Logan's Run Planet

of the Apes there's a replica of the

two-faced character from the thing and

then behind it on the wall that's true

Susan's original poster sketch Wow Wow

the art on the walls like that honestly

the original sketch of the thing that

that's in the lead for me so far okay so

there's my living room okay there's a

Bernie Wrightson zombie sketch there's a

Ray Harryhausen sketch from gwangae oh

wow and then as I do that I move past

some other props and oops I almost

there's a sucker on the floor I monsters

yes well yeah look out there who's

facehuggers that painting in the middle

there that's that's the original

painting from Ron Mahoney of the Dawn of

the Dead poster boy

that came out when the movie came out

and you would fold it open so I got that

original painting then there's more Drew

Struzan there's James bama's original

guillotine model box art there's my pod

and then that pod we're here

see now I'd like to a version of 2001

where there's a wolf man there and then

this is the alien that my friend Tim

Miller did it's pretty look I got a

little lens flare there too ya know

oh yeah oh that is so impressive and

then I got go all the way over here okay

so this is my dream this is all I want

this well you a hundred bucks of this

right now in Jurassic Park came out they

you know Stan Winston who did all the

effects they they made a couple of

display pieces that that sort of toured

the country they did a raptor and they

did a t-rex they get a couple a couple

crazy pieces and what ended up happening

was I think those pieces ended up going

to a private collector so probably about

six or seven years ago a friend of Mines

a hey they're gonna auction off like

this t-rex head from dresser park and

it's out in the original molds and I

kind of always wanted one and and the

the the bad part of the story is the day

of the auction I was really really

hungover so the guy who owned the

auction house called music okay we're

getting ready for the bid are you ready

and I was like yeah just say yes or no

and then the first bid came up and I

went yes and they went going once going

twice sold and then he hung up and that

was it I was it in 30 seconds I owned

one of the replicas t-rex head from

drasi I mean we've all been there we've

all been too hungover to properly turn

up at an auction to bid on a party Rex

yeah I mean like Hale has oldest time so

if that was an incredible tour but if

there's one thing yeah oh there's more

hang on okay anymore other room alright

but here one other thing real quick

while you're while you're moving from

one room to the next

Oh what is that that's the that's the

painting for the European poster of the

thing nice all right I have to while

you're moving from room to room I can

sneak in a question is already a

question from Alisha in our YouTube

audience asking if there's a way that we

can win a trip to Greg's living room oh

never never done that before maybe we'll

work out the details later

okay so then this is a that's a replica

of the time machine that I built about a

billion years ago original over there

Bob burns has the original there's a

penny wise and my friend sculpted and

then this is my giant nerdy Star Wars

wall okay so yeah dedicated style as

well yeah yeah and Oh likes to do scale

models there's a cool x-wing and then if

you go this way there's all my weapons

so if anybody being armory I would shoot

them with a plastic phaser shorten and

then this which is a oh wow

one foot enterprise which all lights up

I might have to plug it in just to

finish the tour Greg while you're doing

that if you could only save one of these

incredible artifacts what would it be oh


you know that's a great question because

my son when we had the fires last year

and they had to evacuate my son ran into

this room I was looking around oh yeah

what should I take what should I take no

and unfortunately don't remember what he

grabbed it he's like oh I got this I got

this for you and I was like okay but

I'm more worried about him just getting

out sure yeah of course but probably the

crate but unfortunately the crate would

like take up more space than my kids so

I'd have to do just so long as you get

out of there with that entire t-rex head

I feel like it I could well here's the

beauty I have a time machine I could go

back and tell him sure and make a bunch

of trips and you save everything yeah

that would have been the smart answer so

Lucy what do you have okay

don't like ask me that question after

that tour oh you know I had to all right

Kay Viet I moved to the United States

from Australia in 2018 with two

suitcases and we bring one like

basically one non-essential item okay so

I ended up bringing this facehugger it's

it's like Greg you've got so many cool

things but I do appreciate and well I

hope you appreciate that this is the one

thing that I saved in terms of like my

non-essential moving to a new country

item because literally if I have up and

go I would probably just sit on the

floor in this room and cried not know

what Wes you're just like yeah bye I'm


we're now we're done we've got this

we've got this wonderful video document

touring the whole whole place so worst

comes to worst listen I've never toured

this this little room for anybody before

so it's cotton

honestly the funniest thing about it is

in the two weeks that I've been home I

come in every morning I move stuff

around me now that should be better over

there right look at him gluing little

pieces back on that either got broken or

you know like well my kids come in here

when I'm when I'm out of town I come

back oh there's pieces on the floor and

I was like hey were you in the room like

boy I swear I wasn't meanwhile do they

call it the do you call it the room

some little why's that some people watch

sports and have their man cares and I

have all this crazy crazy props which is

much cleaner honestly I mean in this day

and age where so many things are done

digitally now there's less and less

actual practical pieces that still

survive I think it's really important

and it's great to be able to preserve it

because when people look at like that

you know again like looking over at the

that that t-rex had you know I talked to

my son and my friends about that I'm

like you these guys got hired to like

build this giant mechanism that could

make this thing move around like looking

at jaws and thinking oh yeah they just

had to build a bus and pull it through

the water and figure out how to do it I

mean it's a tribute it's a tribute to

all film technicians when they're given

the ask so I like to think that this

room and all these props are sort of

like a tribute to all the people that

kind of inspired me and made me realize

that you can use your imagination and do

something awesome yeah yeah that's great

that's amazing well speaking of things

that inspire you let's let's go ahead

and sneak up on this movie here so like

I said earlier at the top we will be

watching it right here in the stream so

you can watch it along with us if you're

watching at home but again there are

links in the description if you want to

go to a different platform it's

streaming for free all over the place

because it's public domain which is good

news so if you want to go ahead and get

it queued up spend a couple of minutes

doing that and in the meantime Craig I

want to ask you obviously it's a very

night of living debt as a very

influential film but what what does it

mean to you well it's a but I could have

it I can answer that question we'll take

the entire movie they shot the film

about 20 minutes from where I grew up in

a little town called Evans City like if

you were to go to Pittsburgh tomorrow

and go to the Evans City Cemetery it's

exactly the same it's not like some

developer came in and knocked buildings

out and built new building so it doesn't

look anything like the movie

it it is identical and I think because

part of when I first saw the movie

bill cardille who plays the news

reporter was also the horror host in

Pittsburgh on Saturday night called

chiller theater so him and George were

really really good friends so every once

in a while probably when I was in I

think 7th or 8th grade they would play

night of Living Dead on television uncut

like without commercials or maybe they

had one commercial break and then George

would come on afterwards

so the first time that I ever saw my

living dead was actually on television

and George was a special guest and that

that kind of just blew me away I mean I

had heard about it like I had heard

about Texas Chainsaw Massacre I heard

about I had heard about The Exorcist and

I had heard about you know like last

House on the Left all these movies that

were kind of iconic but when you're you

know when you're a fourteen or fifteen

year old kid you're not supposed to see

those movies so right actually I was

younger because Dawn of the Dead came

out when I was fifteen so I had to be

younger than that so the fact that the

movie scared me so much and and when

they when when you see later on that we

start running the movie there's little

Chiron's that run across the bottom of

the screen and they're talking about

where the rescue stations are and I was

like I know where that is I know that

one is I know that so it became really

frightening for me and it's kind of

weirdly ironic that that this movie is a

movie that we're watching now because

people you know people are are they

don't know what to do and so a lot of

people are like well maybe we should

watch this movie to figure out what to

do or what's that movie they don't know

where to get their information from and

you know so George always in my opinion

was always ahead of his time and the

movie was very real and very personal to

me and when I found out later that

George set all of his

he did all of his filmmaking in

Pittsburgh and everything that he did

was there it just changed everything for


yeah yeah well let's let's get into it

let's watch it I hopefully everybody had

a chance to get a queued up if they want

to get it queued up but otherwise let's

most go on and so Night of the Living

Dead is 1968 correct I believe so leave

so close close or not all right let's

get your topic we talked about that the

first thing as the movie starts is the

copyrighted because yeah well let's

let's get let's get the the film going

and then we'll get into it so if you are

syncing up let's go ahead and count it

down from here we go three two one

play it's a couple seconds of black

right up top I believe there we go okay

that music okay so yeah this first title

card image is image 10 the company that

didn't renew the copyright well what

happened was they changed the name of

the movie at the last minute

right because originally the film was

called night of the flesh-eaters and on

that title card they had the copyright

when it said night of the flesh-eaters

but when they changed the name of the

movie at the last minute and replaced

the title card with the new title that

was not a copy writer and it was never

would have ever known or ever imagined

and ironically admit that really nobody

owned it that's abating if you really

think about it George Romero like

everything that we believe in terms of

zombie movies was hit it like he came up

with the whole concept he came up with

you know you get bit you turn into a

zombie you gotta shoot him in the head

all these everything that now is

literally part of pop culture part of

the walking dead part of videogames or

everything is all based on my living

death so the fact that it that he was

unable to secure the copyright on it

just yeah a movie that 50 whatever years

later we're still I mean obviously we're

still sitting and talking about the

movie and that nobody really ever owned

it in a strange way

it's just it's it's bizarre yeah on a

tangent they never actually cool zombies

zombies and Night of the Living Dead

which is of course a trend that kind of

carried on throughout the years where

zombie was was was never explicitly

stated yeah as a matter of fact and Dawn

of the Dead

the only reason that they refer to them

as zombies is because Ken Foree is

talking about dudes and there's that

scene where he's on the balcony in front

of the JC Penney's and he says you know

my grandfather was from Trinidad and he

refers to them as zombies so there's I

actually have a copy of the original

shootings for food on an identity

scribbles in it and one of those

scribbles is the handwritten line where

they refer to the zombie left know their

ghouls or flesh eaters and my living dad

right because there were zombie movies

before there's like if going back to the

30s and stuff but Romero completely yeah

yeah so these were doing

preachers they were you know it'll

evolve hoodoo and rain mythology yeah I

just remember that lately this this

scene actually chilled me to my bone

more than anything that was to come I

don't know how you feel about the scene

Greg because this is so it's so you can

hear in the music the setup is so chance

and these two you know these two poor

poor people but it's broad daylight that

was the reason why this scene is so

chilling to me well you know what's

interesting about this scene is we see

we see Bill Huntsman who's in the first

nominee we see him in the background and

he looks very very innocent like

ineffectual and ultimately you know the

banter between the two is it very isn't

very Vanessa Murphy but it sets up that

you're it's a great mystery yeah and if

you really think about it this movie is

the only movie where you see the zombies

pick up rocks and break windows and and

you know I think there's another scene

where you see one of them picking up a I

think it's a broken leg from a from a

chair and bashing against crashing

against the wall of the farmhouse

because the word there weren't any rules

yeah you were making them up and I think

I even remember in the season 1 of The

Walking Dead in episode 2 was not trying

to break into the department store there

was some of them that were bashing

against the window and I remember saying

to Frank Darabont like why did the

zombies have weapons and he's like well

you know night Living Dead

yes the window no way all right

is this movie something of a Bible to

everyone who who makes films or

television or any kind of thing with

zombies I mean is it still kind of the

sacred texts well it's sick

texting a lot more reasons than judge

Dombey mythology I mean it really is it

really is kind of a brilliant film noir

type movie you know when I used to talk

to George about it he would say well

listen dude you know I mean when you

have a zombie coming out of the shadows

we didn't have enough lights to actually

light it so we were doing what we do the

best that we can so there's a really

there's a really great shot of Jack

Russo coming out of the shadow and he

comes up later and it was always to me

very very scary and George kind of

laughed would have talked about that

he's like we only had like two lights

like I couldn't put anything so no I

mean genius born out of necessity kind

of moments I always feel like a lot of

these filmmakers when they're like well

that wasn't your intent man only

daughter became when everyone talked

about like temple of consumerism and

that his it was like a fat tire you know

Jordan always kind of said movie and I

got a great shopping mall when I shot

there but I still feel like deep down

that that had to come from somewhere

Elfi pure Davidoff enough credit painful

stuff like that because of that exactly

okay so here's the third tiers yeah

the first the first zombie pill and I

will say it's you know this is probably

pretty accurate to what a fight would

look like more so that we get just like

just random struggling yeah that's two

drunk dudes yeah that's the one thing

that I do like about all these old

school fights in yeah it's just yeah


again lore just the fact that it was in

broad daylight

Oh like since chills down my spine there

was no hiding the product was you hear

like there's lightning

background and you know obviously trying

to add a little mood to it because

cemeteries in broad daylight aren't

necessarily very scary

luckily listen I mean I think the black

and white makes a big difference but by

this time when this movie was made

everything this big color yeah no you

know again it's it's I think it's an

aesthetic that that George would have

claimed he was out of budgetary reasons

but again mate with one of the moat Gary

film because there's something it's

bringing in a pretty agree me and it

hasn't weird did after weird reality do

if they would shop the color and you

would have seen green grass and the

green trees and everything wouldn't have

had the same impact at all it would well

on the thing the thing that you know you

have some credit for is just just being

who you are right like if you don't have

like leaning into the resources that you

have to make the right movie for you

know you only have black and white feel

and like all the handheld thing and just

like like leaning into what you have in

a really ingenious way I think is one of

the things that makes it easier good

well I think that also adds to the

classic vibe to it because yeah it's it

in this pink category is like

Frankenstein and The Creature from the

Black Lagoon all those classic horror

movies and then all the sudden you have

this film you can't help but put it in

that in that category because in fact it

has a similar kind of vibe to it


though I know I'm a couple of seconds

behind you on my on my video well this

is weird just said it you know it's the

chase the chase scene well together you

know he crashed at the car

I love the car crash cha because it's

all sound effect it's all sound effect

and the car was already invented thought

he didn't kind of pushed it in the fray

what you just talked about Greg in terms

of you know you can kind of categorize

it with creature from you know the Black

Lagoon and etc because it had the same

sort of of tone by all accounts at the

premiere of this film people went into

it thinking it was kind of gonna be a

little goofy you know people thought it

was going to be kind of kind of fun like

you know a matinee movie that that the

dads could take their kids to and you

know my uncles you know during that

premiere people were very you could the

tone went from laughter so just no luck

laughter at all well I think because the

and I hadn't heard that story but I can


I'm very sorry let me do I mean it's

funny there we go

you know I think a lot of what what it

was – at that time period was the movie

the circuit that they would send the

movie out on because now you know we're

sort of spoiled with they opened up

moving in you know two thousand theaters

or three thousand theaters but back when

it but back in the day when you had

low-budget movies you'd have probably 10

or 15 prints of a movie that they would

have to literally take from one movie

theater to the next movie theater to the

next movie theater so it created this

sort of Roadshow mentality and I think

when you have a movie like that that's

like a Roadshow mentality it has that

kind of Saturday matinee vibe to it and

I think that's where a lot of people got

that impression about nine Living Dead


you know again once you get into the

farmhouse and you're looking at the

lighting and you see those shafts of

light you know it elevates it from

something that is intended to be campy

which it never was

but but it really gives it a different

feel and I just think that there's

something interesting about the moment

where George chooses not to use music

and when to use music and especially

when she's in the farmhouse by herself

that music staying right there which is

when she sees that the partially you

know did I make to it am I too far that

was the the music sting for the all the

taxidermy animals oh it's you far away

from the from the opening here we had a

question from from art who's watching on

discord he's gonna makeup effects

question for you well why is the first

ghoul we see not too heavily covered in

makeup I'm assuming that ghoul had just

died but is the first monster in a movie

a big deal affects West well the first

it really is about what impression you

want to leave with the audience and in

that particular instance it was intended

to be a misdirect we weren't to post and

notice that he was horribly disfigured

because the zombie outbreak had

literally both begun yeah he's just kind

of shuffling in the background you know

and it's funny because in this movie

with something that we don't do when we

Walking Dead get the idea that zombies

come out of the ground like that they're

reanimated and they can crawl out of the

ground because that's such a classic

kind of EC Comics vibe of seeing a

skeleton that comes out of the ground

and chases you around and a lot of what

is picture thing about this movie is

there's not a ton of subtle effect

there's enough but most of the zombies

just had you know like a little dark

coloration under their eyes and

and on the day I know Bill Ackman was

made up to be kind of kind of paint to

be looking you know yeah and here we

have I mean just just a few men yeah and

then just a few minutes after that

anyway she finds the sort of half

decomposed body in the house that's

that's really gnarly looking yeah yeah

and I always remember because there's

that weird snap dude where ya know and

you never really get a sense of what it

is like first time I started moving like

wait what was that and then she runs out

of the house and into the headlights

yeah and then had introduced me BAM

so it's again I mean it's such a cool

use of light and dark and you know again

now there's no music there's no sound

everything is just dead quiet and

everything that the music sting that

built and built and built right until

Ben slams the door and they're back

inside and then it just cuts she's

really really a cool effect but and then

here when we meet Ben I I

I always loved how just just sort of

like calmly practical Ben his threat

this whole what you have by your side

during this wouldn't start it's just as

soon as we meet him is a great

introduction to him well you know it's

interesting too because I always loved

his backstory which we get to in a

minute because there's he's seen it

already so he going on so his whole

thing is he runs into this house he's

looking for somewhere to go to escape

what he's just seen at the diner so when

he shows up and she's alone he's looking

at this is okay you know I need to find

a place to hole up and there's this

woman who's clearly catatonic he's not

really thinking about her so much cuz he

thinks it's her house he's like is this

your house is there anybody else around

he's just looking immediately looking

for a place that he can

I dare ya there's something else too

about the mention that we get Ben's

backstory a little bit later but

structurally what one of the things this

movie does really well is just throwing

us into the middle of something and

trying to figure it out along with the

characters yeah which i think is

probable well that's always that's

always a great a great device because as

long as you can take the audience on the

journey with you it's a really it's a

super effective tool and most films

that's what they do they want you to

identify with the character so that you

can go on the journey with them but you

know again I think 9 Living Dead

actually benefited from a little bit of

its low-budget status because they

didn't have giant movie stars in it look

I know with another sort of calling card

of a lot of Borges movies which was

playing into that idea that things there

are everyday people that you might not

recognize who you might identify with

them a little more as just everyday

people and was that the first hit blow

we saw the first proper like this is how

you this is how you get rid of his own

be as you is you get them in the head

well yeah I mean you know that we see

the zombies matching the Smashing the

lighting the car was raw but what's

interesting about this is it teaches you

the rule by not only you girls but

telling me the rule like a zombie and

their zombie backs up and he's got it in

your chest and then he talks again and

tweaked it again and then he the

gun and shoots it again and it's when he

shoots it in the head that it dies so

George was teaching us the rule without

having to say oh I believe that you have

to do

well that bits coming up yeah I'd be I'm

important but coming into the kitchen

and coming up behind Barbara that was

that sort of film noir with the with the

darkness piece that I will talking about

earlier but and this is this is where

you know and especially for the time

like this this is violent yeah

just stabbing a guy in a head with a

tire iron and then struggling it's

honestly it's the struggling to pull it

out that I think is weirdly more sort of

visceral than the actual stabbing yeah

it's just like with the zombies

themselves they still feel very


you know it's it's sort of hard to

category especially sort of early early

zombies it's really hard to categorize

them as as zombies straightaway because

they just look yeah it's just it's just

someone who's just a bit off and I think

that's that's very unnerving yeah I mean

again if you think about the time that

these movies were made in and the types

of films that were being made in the

late sixties you know I mean it was a

very rebellious time and a lot of

filmmakers found ways to express what

they thought and how they felt and and

horror films in general are always

rebellious to by nature so for George to

be you know more graphic was I I always

felt was was his way of being rebellious

of what was going on and you know tobe

Hooper did it

you know John Cunningham did it and

let's crave it I mean all those

filmmakers at the time

great guy I mean I I'm so curious about

that because

for many many years

directors sort of that air to look more

towards mainstream Hollywood have kind

of shied away from the term horror I'm

sure this isn't you know unusual to you

but the term horror they don't as soon

as their films are categorized as horror

they you know a lot of them will say no

it's a social thriller or a domestic

villa you know what I mean like no one

wants to say horrible psychological

threat so as if it's a dirty word and

and and yet thriller horror still

persists as a genre it is always

persistent it is always being rebellious

exactly as you said do you think we're

ever gonna see the tides turn where

mainstream directors are actually going

to embrace their films as horror I mean

especially nowadays with you know Jordan

Peele etc and well listen I don't think

it's directors that actually have that

opinion I think distributors right cuz

the directors

they're gonna embrace the movies they're

gonna make but it's how do you sell it

how do you sell that movie and you know

for such a long time or lowbrow they

were considered you know they they were

just they were considered exploitation

and a lot of times people didn't want to

take it seriously because they just went

oh well they're it's just an

exploitation movie it's it's it's too

gratuitous it's got a new tree it's got

violence it's got too much war in it but

what I think a lot of people didn't

realize is there was obviously with us

that was a group of people that

responded to that and whether it was

because we wanted to see it like oh I

want to see what they're telling me I'm

not supposed to see in my case you know

I was I was really really into special

effects when I was younger and you know

the Hammer horror movies you know I mean

look at the original Universal movies

and then in the sixties when the hammer

movies came wrapped and

in color everything is Gloria everything

is little sexier but you know ultimately

a lot of times people just look down on

horror as it was just beneath them

because it was exploitation there are a

lot of filmmakers that made some

fantastic horror movies and I really do

think that with Walking Dead and

American Horror Story a lot on a lot of

current television shows that sort of

made horror mainstream and I think

that's one other thing that is great

about current television is it people

didn't normally wouldn't watch this kind

of show are now watching it because they

realize that it's not necessarily about

the gore but it's about the human

condition told in whatever backdrop it

is whether it's the left or whether it's

a musical whatever it is and in terms of

horror movies they've chosen the

backdrop you know this world

flesh-eaters right well here's a

question that's sort of building off of

what you're talking about the you know

talking about the human condition in the

backdrop of flesh eaters in this

instance Charlie Talbert from who's

watching on discord asks do you feel

that the dident dynamic Ben and Barbara

pretty much sums up how we would act in

this scenario which I sort of take to

mean there's there's your two choices

you can either kind of shut down or you

can be like they're cold practical let's

just figure out how to survive that ven

is well you know I think as the movie

progresses and more characters are

introduced character has a different

perspective and a different take on

what's going on everybody that's hiding

in the basement they're doing it myself

preservation but what the two of them I

don't know because I think I'm so used

to the film work well I'm rather you

know I don't know there's Barbara woods

here today somebody some woman who's

scared that she's would do

so that's catatonic date that feels very

much like a woman that would have been

portraying in the late sixties I don't

know if if in present day Barbara would

react the same way I know when

complicated remake of anybody dead in

the 90s he changed Barbara's character

to sort of more of a reflect of you know

a modder take on what a woman would do

in that situation

I mean we've definitely all asked

ourselves how we would react in in a in

a zombie scenario and I think it you

know I think that there's there's a

middle ground to be had between yeah I

think I think Ben is wonderful I think

Barbara's too much but I think I would I

would fit in somewhere in between the

two how about you Greg well you know

that's a hard question for me to answer

I've been living in this world for ten

years and looking at how the world

changes music and how quickly people

change based on what they feel is the

right thing to do because we really in

night living deputies really never

learned what anyone's motivation except

for Quran you know Ben doesn't have

anybody that he's protecting Barbara

doesn't have anybody you know when we

meet the rescue characters they have

actually that hair has the most

motivation of anybody is he's protecting

his family I think and when we get nice

is not an intuitive world by introducing

us to solitary characters who really

have nothing else is that good in the

game otherwise

which is exactly way you want to be in a

zombie situation well yeah just just by

yourself trying to survive right here's

where your mission or where we're

getting all the bins back stories it

like and just describing this scene that

he witnessed earlier is is pretty

weighty how how do you think I mean is

there a version of this movie where

where we saw that originally and then I

mean I guess if it's exclusively Ben's

movie maybe we start with that scene

well I always loved that story and if

I'm now it can I think somebody did it

might have been John Ruth Coe actually

did a deluxe cut of not everything dead

and actually shot that scene I think

that there's there is a version that was

my living dead that George had nothing

to do with where that scene was shot I

just remember seeing like a zombie

makeup on a waitress with like a

beekman's diner nametag or something oh

yeah but in my head I think what George

did so well was he planted dividuals in

your head so you saw it without having

seen it and you know that's that's

always a sign of a great filmmaker is

that the visuals in your head without

you having to see it so by the time you

do see what these zombies are capable of

doing it's so horrific that you don't

wanna look and again like it's almost

it's almost like a piece of theater you

know it's almost like we don't need to

jump back in time jump forward in time

like we are right there in the room with

these people experiencing exactly what

they're experiencing in real time and I

think that's so effective well because

ultimately it's a bar

really Barbary stories if it would have

been if it would have been started with

been in the diner it would have been

better in our harbors below and I think

it's important to remember that because

even though she's her character kind of

disappears for a little while when we

introduced you know like you said we see

it's like a fire you know there's one

character he's just sitting there

hmm on the stage that the audience kind

of forgets about per minute as we

produce new as we introduce the new

players even this bit where you know

she's I always I always thought his

reaction you just need to calm down now

because she's she's actually coherent

enough to respond to him and try to

explain what happened but she's so

traumatized that she can't get it out in

any way shape or form that makes sense

then but he's just like listen you just

need yeah this would not find by all

accounts so much with this script was

improvised as well you know it was a

script in progress it's kind of a living

document every single day of the shoot

and and you know basically the actors

mister they kind of just did what they

thought they should do and I feel like

that I love that and you know in many

ways it makes like its feel a lot more

organic I suppose it would it's always I

always like the love the exercise

reading the scripts and watching the


anytime I've ever seen a sterol might

try to find the script and I'm very

curious as to what was on the page

versus how the director interpreted it

yeah and

and you know it's it's funny like

looking at like John Carpenter's The

Thing you know if you look at that

script there's not descriptions oh and

then that's the chest went open and then

the head crawled from right none of that

was actually in the script no I'm always

really interested to see how the script

describes things there in between and

that to me is a really interesting part

of the process you know the three

writers write it and then the directors

visualize it and then he surrounds

himself with his crew and you know paced

another goal was all the after like most

of the actors like did Nick Hoffman did

lighting and you know Marilyn Eastman

and and so many of them tell me that

like oh there was like I mean image ten

I think was the ten people yeah yeah

with the company and a lot of them would

you know when they weren't acting they

were doing makeup and they were helping

out and that I love that vibe I know Sam

Raimi did it when they did the first

people dad same thing was like they got

a bunch of investors from like dentists

and doctors in Detroit and then it was a

couple guys it went off and made a movie

and there's just something you know I

mean Evil Dead is a really great

comparison movie to 9/11 death because

there was a rawness to it and even

though because it might have felt in the

church that he plays a theory oh sorry

Clint I hope you know I'm building on

that how do you feel about the theory

that you know freaking held this theory

when making the Exorcist that like if

the actors were genuinely scared or

genuinely uncomfortable physically that

he would get a better performance

obviously in the case of the Exorcist oh

it was quite infamous you know what he

put those actives third do you still


that Siri holds any weight like

especially in 2020 I I do believe that

in a lot of instance beings I try to

preserve as much as I can with the

actors when I'm working with them on the

walk we get and Creepshow you know I

think the more that something is

shocking to them or to surprise for them

you know there's that great story which

I still would love to really know a good

distributor when they shot it expert for

scenes from alien they took all the

actors out and they brought down and put

in an actress I love the idea that

nobody knew they were gonna get hurt in

the face with with all the blood that's

believing right the actors wouldn't know

that but you know there there are a lot

of instances especially back you know I

just recently re-watched Philip

Kaufman's invasion of the body snatchers

we can't one of my favorite movies and I

found the script on running I bought it

because I really wanted to meet you know

that movie so stylized with the lighting

very much like a little bit like the

other why did you give the spectrum

attic you know the wide-angle lenses and

the way that it tried and I got to the

last page of the script and I'm not

gonna wear it for people another team

yeah yeah one person and in the last

page of the script it just says you just

have to wait and see like they did

tributes we enter the movie to the actor

but you gotta think that was a gimmick

back in from the seventies

you know they when Martha the devil came

up or the gimmick was they would hit out

bark bags yeah you swore the theater and

you would get a part bag how many people

was literally just because I was being

they have to get out of art back

we're giving so I believe we seen you

might remember but I think that there

was an insurance of taken out for people

that would go to these nine living dad's

yeah that if you listen the theater and

you died of a heart attack you would

guess I know that William Castle did

from Tingler or thirteen or fourteen

yolk house on Haunted Hill I know

there's like these birds policy but I if

I'm not mistaken they're gonna Bend I'm

a part of

mimic what might a living bed as well

again purely to get people you know I

would go I would go in a heartbeat in a

hot night Hitchcock loved doing all that

stuff as well he loved playing it up

hurry about that for the road sterile

ideas on either living there I think

because there was no copyright people

can greet it over and over and over

again without having to pay royalties on

like the distributor probably got the

money but that money didn't go to a lot

of people got ripped off that movie and

one of them unfortunately wasn't George

Romero but you know when you when you

have these midnight movies I think

that's where my living Deb really

started to catch on was that people like

watch horror movie that I mean I were I

saw Dawn of the Dead at the midnight

movie probably eight times and by the

time I been released for like a year

people are done in and cut out all the

gory bits because people wanted to keep

the frames of the head exploding so it

won't what I went to see the movie know


you know look at all the counter zombie

and then it would jump like five seconds

to like the people walking away people

people were actually stealing the frames

of film yeah oh no I like a crappy TV

cut that's awful

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is Brandon asks whether any effects

techniques that you saw from night and

dawn and your work on Day of the Dead

that are still relevant to your work on

The Walking Dead any any tricks that you

learned that you that you still use you

know either Rob the idea of what Savini

did in Dawn of the Dead there was a lot

of reverse photography you know the

machete in the head where you put them

there and pull it back so when you play

the film it goes to Lee and it sticks in

and it looks like a genuine impact we

use we use reversely filmography it

conduct more so in creepy I'll be honest

then then on the walking dead because we

have very little money for the better

shudder show of creep show so we're

really really kind of forced to be more

creative of that I mean I like the end

community there isn't an easy solve to

it but you know blood pumped and severed

head and all that kind of stuff the

technology really has gotten us to a

very unique place but one of the

appealing things about Walking Dead and

creature is that we still do a

tremendous number of of gags practically

and you know the idea that Tom Savini

along from

x-men dick Smith who did the Exorcist

and the Godfather and taxi driver dick

was a was a very very forthcoming first

when we came in sharing his technique so

he couldn't be but he would put these

efforts together and send them out to

different makeup artists and if you pick

up the phone and you would call dick

Smith he would spend hours explaining

real Halloween oh so when Tom became

interested in special effects makeup he

really reached out and they went and

Dick Smith on the East Coast v New York

and pop was in Pittsburgh he's really

embraced giving that information with

any order that wonders if that's been

between like 1977 and 1981 five maybe

six where it was Rick Baker and Robert

in Phoenix and linchpin and Paul Berman

and all the sudden everybody was

embracing impractical makeup effects

Logan them you know the thing and the

Halloween the American one was in London

and Donna's dad and I would say the next

big explosion would be in the mid

nineties was dressed par and use this

where it went into usually creature

effects but I'd feel like Natalie

Bennett this mean very much in his

briefly basketball stuff and I would

happily stated walking down I think was

part of that I definitely feel like

there was you know a tipping point fed

digital horror effects where it just I

mean I'm speaking just for myself I

don't know how you to feel but it just

became not scared if there's weekend not

scary because you could tell it was it

was orchestrated by it by a computer and

you know we we grew up with practical

effects and and they sort of ingrained

in our canal psyche and now I recognize

practical effects like that yeah and it

really does make such a difference and

do you know you mentioned Greg that you

you're seeing that tipping point

calm down the other side and more people

are using practical effects I mean of

course and TV are you seeing that across

like Hollywood and and and and an indie

horror as well well I wouldn't say

they're using more practical effects but

through a while there's suited regional

effects became very popular

nobody wanted to build puppets nobody

wanted to do anything practically

because everybody wanted to play with

the new technology

truth be told a lot of home makers that

are now coming into their own and I

wasn't a recently I would say in last 10


Alex Ochoa camera velcoro

Eli Roth you know a lot of these guys

they've had with Guillermo he they had

practical they had practical knowledge

of creature effects so they wanted to

use those techniques because those

techniques are what inspired them so I

feel like we're at a place now where

people appreciate them and understand

the value money whereas when digital

effects became very popular in the late

90s everybody wanted to be the ones to

do oh look we did it better than that

kind we did it better than that guy and

you know I still feel like practical

effects and Diplo bags have them very

relatively place in storytelling I

worked one battle an angel Aleta with

Robert Rodriguez and Jim Cameron and I'm

blown away by what can be done I think

it's really because I watched few days

ago I watched aliens again before

computer technology its Ripley and Jim

Cameron I really feel like aliens and

probably virtually empowered because he

used every technique in the book to use

force respectful miniature you use

quarter scale puppets who use guys in

suits rear-projection

I mean anything's you can thicker the

towel heads story but I feel like as

filmmakers and people that are watching

down to what work

think about they have the advantage of

using a multitude of cool television or

so here well getting back into the movie

here's where we meet the rest of the

cast it's been hiding in the hiding in

the basement and like we were talking

about earlier here's where we get a

little bit some more perspectives on on

how to react to what's happening you get

mr Cooper who's frankly an ass look but

even though he's still we deal with this

on the walking dead on a daily basis he

he has a right to defend short people

isn't affordable and although he's not

super necessarily a giant Apple he's

just being kind of became mad but it's

later when he exhibits that important

behavior which I'm not going to say for

three of you that have never seen the

movie but everybody else probably see a

chance but you know again and it's one

of the things about a great horror story

is putting yourself in that character

plants like who would you be and they've

got a little bit about that earlier but

it's that for a relatable world like

it's a good jump scare they're the hands

diving through the windows classic image

yeah I love the fact that they think

that like those three boards that are

nailed across the window right yeah I

love the idea that this is the gun bit

coming up now again I'm a little bit

behind you guys but I couldn't hear the

music and I

yeah we're at that moment we're bent

goes outside and shoots the dog

yeah he's shooting he's just shooting a

guy through the window and he just gotta

get shot in the chest and just walks

right back yeah so that's the bit that I

was referring to earlier when he shoots

the zombie and then the zombie steps

back and then it it walks towards us

again now this is really the first time

that we're realizing with these

creatures are not an easily dispatched

right and again what's what I always

loved about this movie is the use of the

shadows of the plants on the faces you

know if there's something really unique

about you know and again sort of knowing

it oh they're holding a branches in

front of the lights but you know they're

they're telling they're telling that the

story visually I think George even when

you you know just happened a second ago

but when you reveal the hole in the

Tommy's head yes there's a little branch

that's just across the forehead and just


I remember how if you look at the the

reveal of this new zombie which I

remember was a big deal because it was

like in the late 60s I'm gonna need more

than she was but if you watch that dot

again you can see that there's like a

perfect shadow of it it just follows

just obscures it yeah I mean we're

talking a lot about like how the

techniques that that Romero used in this

film and sort of how it all added up to

to its abuse this great movie but like

talking about the remake that Savini did

and we've touched on it a little bit

there's a handful of comments and

questions from people that are watching

one is uh ala fizzle eighteen sorry if

that's not how you want to pronounce

that but that's what it says watch it on

YouTube what did you think of Tom Savini

remake of not a living dead and how does

it stand up to the original movie how

does how does it compare

well you know I like the movie I

understand it would it ended up being a

lot more of his makeup a second showcase

because at that point when when there

were a lot of movies that were coming

out they were they were featuring the

creature effects and I think there was a

few changes that were made in the script

that I thought were kind of interesting

but again it's it's like remaking Jaws

you know I mean my living dad is such a

perfect movie that Tom really had his

hands full with the stuff Nick Mac you

know and dear friend of mine he's one of

the greatest he's one of the greatest

guys that I know so you know like being

handed a classic and then trying to

reimagine it I know he had a very

different vision for the movie that that

was the film that we that we ended up

seeing but I wasn't there you know I

didn't work on the movies I wished I

would have been able to be there because

I was very close with George and very

close to promise upon a bit think we

were doing I didn't remember when I was

you know came being in existence for

probably two years then and we were kind

of on our way to sort of chugging along

you know your effects company right yeah

I'm very curious as to whether you like

what kind of conversations you had with

Tom because you you've been friends with

Tom for so long what sorts of

conversations you had with him about the

remake at the time did you sort of you

know did you ever be like what are you

doing like this is insane

it's it is my remaking choice well you

know honestly I if I'm not mistaken one

of the reasons that it was remade was

because that was George's way to

researcher the copyright because I think

so many years after the film was in

public domain they were able to recopy

right not alleging debt with that film

and I think that was one of the main

reasons why they wanted to do it George

you'd want to make it he had already he

had already done that movie so I think

that there were some legal reasons why

they remade the film but again you know

I felt like seeing that movie in color

and seeing the farmhouse me tell her

it just didn't didn't feel like my

living dead to me and I think there have

been so many other drama movies and come

out between the dead and I living dead

because he had all the Italian movies

you know Lucci repulsion movies right

how many other zombie movies that came

out that were that were just talking you

know one of the best make-up effect that

I've ever seen in my life is the

splinter in the Army in Lucia a full

cheese zombie still one of the greatest

makeup effects hands-down that I've ever

seen though you could really compete

with dog food

you couldn't compete with a lot of

telling horror movies the trip so

outrageously gory and so in attacking

sharks – right like that's I fill one of

my favorite once you once you attack a

shark then what's what's the next

frontier to conquer I'll never forget we

were I was working on these Lloyd

bastards in Bakke barber and I was

putting Brad Pitt's star on his neck

every day for for the movie and we

started talking about that movie he's

like wait a minute there's a movie with

a zombie and a chart that fight like oh

yeah and I remember 20 coming up to me

later think don't tell me that scene I'm

gonna have my print of zombie flown to

Berlin and we're gonna watch it because

he because Brad Pitt was like we'd be on

read like so wait a minute there's a

zombie and a shark like he just couldn't

imagine it yeah do not show him that

scene on your phone I'm flying a prince

I mean on the internet because Quentin

wanted him to see the whole movie but I

would every once in I see Brad off to

the side doing this zombie shark bite


hey just moving back to the movie for a

quick second now this this scene again

was well well this whole kind of

sequence was one of the parts of this

film that stayed with me when I first

saw it now this little girl what what is

it then Karen is that right what's a

little girl's name Mike

now this yeah again it affected me in

the same way that the Exorcist affected

me in that it was one of the first kind

of moments in a horror film that I'd

seen a little kid be well possessed or

in peril or in some way kind of twisted

and against the you know it gets the

grain and so to speak and and I I found

it absolutely terrifying because you

know from this instance you know that

she's going to turn no one gets bitter

from his own be by it and I just you

know yeah we didn't know that at the at

the time which is I agree

and again if you really think about it

making little kids monsters was super

taboo back then yeah like you didn't

touch it I mean even if you even if you

think about the subject matter of like

Kubrick and Lolita in like the the taboo

you never even got near little kids in

movies at all so with this particular

bit which was before the Exorcist and

then of course I mean Carrie was 1971 I

want to say but when you start when you

start taking something that that is

taboo and you're turning it on you're

treating the convention on attack again

I would I was

terrified by the end of this movie as

well we're getting a little ahead of


of course right um it really it because

children are supposed to be the one

thing that will never hurt you they have

this unconditional love and I think the

combi Donna in its down the idea that

somebody that you love would become this

inhuman shouts that was lit would want

nothing more than to just devour you I

mean it's it's such it plays into every

single fun okay you know if you go back


you know like medieval times and like

the text about werewolves and like you

know the drawing you can pull for the

right girl you know they come out of

these steel babies like they drew a baby

baby for reason they wanted to nip you

late you and if we can no one would ever

do something as is human and interfering

with curing earth which is a giant no I

think again it was again that's what

everyone's elias moment now we're

getting to the TV station this is what

the news report this was was screwed me

up so much when I was a little because

when you see the news report and they're

talking about the reputation those were

literally twenty minutes from my house

and happen at the line

yeah well that's that's the fun thing to

that I really like about this this whole

sequence when watching a news report in

the reporters following the people here

they're what gets you here in a second

is it it gives it that sort of war of

the worlds' like wait a second this kind

of feels real right now all of a sudden

vibe that is not that your world he

loved he loved the Orson Welles radio

show and you know the funny story about

that beat where the reporters are in

front of the Capitol building I've heard

so many stories about the fact that they

drove up in the card we jumped out they

he jumps back in the car and they drove

away but they didn't have any in every

permit that feels right yeah it looks

that way

you know right well and even the the

energy that the actors have between each

other feels like that they're it's like

they talked about it for ten minutes

beforehand and then and there

they're harried and it feels right and

true for the scene because there's these

these you know bureaucrats or

politicians that are that are free to

and we're not even to the scene yet so

maybe we shouldn't as soon as they turn

the TV on it because I just I look at

that scene so as soon as they turn the

TV on I gotta go rescue stations

I love the minute to minute goals in his

Amba movie you know what I mean it's

like okay I'm gonna get a truck now okay

now and then after the truck we gotta

get gas for the truck we got to do X you

know it's like these incremental goals

that are very small on paper but

absolutely massive yeah it's fine find a

place to hide yeah I mean there's a

difference and what I always found

interesting is they're like oh well if

we get to a rescue station and

everything will be farmed right there in

this remote farmhouse location so they

feel right wherever they are it's not as

safe as getting to the rescue station

which I love and and again the beginning

of Dawn of the Dead picks up where

they're doing their news report and

we're talking about martial law has been

indicated and you can you know you can

no longer have a private residence you

have to go to these rescue station

mm-hmm I always remembered is never

really quite understanding when I'm

being nice bar

never understanding the whole attack on

the tenement building where the SWAT

food goes in you know what happening I

didn't I didn't understand it later I

was like oh just watch it already

because those people refused rural

England yeah

they refused to leave the building so

now in my living good they have danced

somewhere they know with the table we

need to pray and that's where the first

conflict arises because they're like

well we gotta get out of here but you

can't move you can't move Karen and now

it's like well why do they have to stay

because there's only one Tom's so with

grip very very intelligently sets up

these roadblocks if they're gonna be

fine okay you take that car making that

car let's just go

but it's that it's the idea that they're

isolated in this desolate farmhouse

where no other help nobody else around

and more and more people are drawn to

drawn to the front porch and here's a

great scene with the with the interview

just hopping in a car and driving off or

the anybody comes in chest on the shoot

I one other thing that I love about that

scene is that they introduced the idea

that the zombies are potentially being

caused by radiation from a satellite

that just returned from from space which

I is I love that and it actually brings

me to one of there's a comment or a

question from decadron IG on the IGN's

YouTube asking if you have a Greg if you

have a favorite cause of zombies you

have a preferred cause of zombies like

is it radiation or chemicals or

biohazard or anything like that I you

know I remember the radiate the idea

that a satellite that returned the

person had something on it that created

this radiation I would like that idea

maybe be president least worst than the

original idea

you know I love determine again I got a

say the barrel of try option when they

when they burn the corpse then they goes

up into the clouds and then come back

down in the rain super funny and clever

I don't know it's just fun I mean it's

it's fun to speculate

I always thought even the Resident Evil

bio warfare idea has they're all

different which is what makes fun

the other cool thing too is it can kind

of be a product of you know Sambi films

changing with the times in terms of like

social commentary you know obviously

like space and radiation and then and

all of that was a big later it's all 28

days later really did a good job of that

because it it sort of isolated it to

Great Britain you know which I thought

was interesting one scene where where

he's looking up and he sees the plane

flying over and you're like oh

interesting but it was it was no raggedy

I'm really curious like how important do

you think an actual explanation and not

just in zombie movies but in horror

movies in general how important is an

actual explanation as to what is going

on do we do we actually need one that's

a great that's a great question because

so many films in the seventies they lack

thing open engine like it would just end

and they were like well opinion the cars

you know like black Christmas twist and

I think because I grew up in that era of

my need everything tied up in a tight

little bundle I think a lot of it was

because there was

either they could afford to do it or

they didn't have they liked being a

little more artistic you know no one's

in the late sixties and early seventies

were experimental so to leave things to

the imagination

I thought was interesting and kind of

fun but I never birthday made everybody

means everything explain why it's

happening you know my my 14 year old

daughter loved our movies and we watched

a film on Netflix called

the platform the other day Spanish for

me and he was like I need to know what

the ending me it's like she and I said

about what it means at the end of

seeking you on the journey and sure

other than what you learn about yourself

when we go on the journey but I think in

this instance and a lot of instances of

films in the late seventies early

eighties or sorry late sixties early

seventies they were being daring they

were like oh you know we're gonna leave

it up to the imagination because worth

trying to be bold and as filmmakers we

want and we want the audience to make

the decision as to what it means we look

at 2001 Space Odyssey

nobody knew pretty what that movie meant

I know my mom still doesn't know what I

mean but you know I think there's some

toys should we nor should wait yeah

there's something bold and unique about

allowing the audience you can make their

own to make their own food you know and

we talked about that a little bit to it

especially with the way that this movie

starts and it kind of continues that way

we're only privy to the information that

our characters are privy to so it's like

you know it's up to them to interpret

what they think

you know who to believe should they

believe what's on the news you know or

should they believe what's outside the

front door or well into the future

tell them not to believe and nobody ever

says anything about

tonight added the news report you know

give them any information like they are

well sheet with the head you know woke

up Anna more yeah but it's again I mean

I think if the character is the new

relationship because before I mean as

long as we want to sit there with a cast

like this scene right here where this

couple is talking like just you seeing

their dynamic and what's important to

them in the situation like is is every

bit as interesting as what caused a

zombie apocalypse you know yeah and what

you you needed to feel like you had to

spend that's you know that's such a

great conflict and I like I like

Judith's character I like the fact that

that she really is asleep they have no

idea what's gonna be fine great they're

gonna be fine explain this is part of

the grand tradition of couples being

happy together on-screen and then well

sorry it's a 57 year old movie but I do

think that like yeah and also in in a

film that's this violent the way that

they like shot that kiss that kiss to be

so discreet is also but for some reason

that jumps out at me like we're shooting

zombies in the head and they're still

sort of like I wish at one point she

would have brushed her hair he's like I

know we I always think it's I don't know

what it is but I like when she Smith's a

nurturer she tries to talk to Barbara

and just like with this girl who's

sitting there on the couch

catatonic the whole time I I was I

always liked that bit where even though

there's bad there's still some

people that are looking out for ya yeah

and they're the energy that she had was

one of just like oh here's somebody that

needs some help right now yeah and there

wasn't there wasn't a lot of other

questions she's great and also here's

the the boards that are gonna keep the

zombies out there pulling out of the

door with their heads you know from that

side maybe the idea was just a

tournament at that point there was only

a few of them so as R as we've come to

learn and countless zombie movies and TV

shows doesn't matter how fast they are

even though I'm a big guy

laughing I was I was gonna ask you is

gonna wait so we got up here to this

little action sequence about like your

preference on slow versus fast zombies

well I'm a purist I guess and the

universe but these are recoiling from

the fire and covering their eyes with

benefit was interesting there

I think the zombies are more human

ingenuity than any other than any other

of the Romero's remaining yeah I mean

they definitely dialed it up in future

movies I get the feeling that they were

sort of finding their feet so to speak

in terms of the actual movement like how

does a zombie move what is the and it's

a little bit it's a little bit

restrained in this one and it gets

a lot more intense in future films yeah

but I mean it's I was always really

scary about this and because it's the

darkness of the field and then the farm

you don't know how many zombies are out

there and I remember being me kidomaru

include me and you feel like there's

thousands of them like there's no way

that there's not hunting zombies so

they're trying to gang up there a lot of

them they're going out into the middle

of media in the middle of this field but

the way it's shot you feel like they're

yeah the the there's with a few

exceptions there's not any particularly

wide shots I mean as I say that there

here's a super wide shot but just the

secrets of them getting into the car

there with just how crowded everything

felt yeah there's there's just no

telling how many are out there and you

know I adored always kept the camera low

like the way that he shot the zombie you

know that made them big in training yeah


like EP Emeril up when it's it's similar

to to to the camera at water level in

Jaws also I know we've talked about jaws

a bunch I can hop you know yeah it comes

up every time because Joyce was what

you've cited Joyce as being one of your

biggest inspirations to get into

practical effects is that correct yeah

right so he worked obviously you worked

on Day of the Dead and you adore you

know you were such a fan of dawn was

working with George as you had hoped as

he had imagined or something completely


seven years before Day of the Dead we

had become friends I mean

the last coin is my Uncle Sam was an

actor local actor and the stocky me did

a lot of stuff around Pittsburgh and he

was in the crazy right so he taught he

was interested in film and interested in

that in that world we became friends

with doors so what I met Joe he was like

oh yeah so I would threaten the chore of

years before I officially hired to work

on days again the fact they had offered

me a job on creature to be a production

assistant but I turned the job down

because I was getting ready to go away

collars pretty mad to be knockin Oh with

the big big fight scene yeah this is the

mileage that that they get out of this

sequence is really impressive it's just

in thinking about in terms of like you

know limited camera and extras and

moving truck I've never even thought to

ask just had one I have a great job

Jordan like with the camera running

through the field I never thought about

it like this you know now they had

multiple cameras we need to shoot

different angles

but I never really thought about like

with the movie like that it was you know

over you know over the number of nights

that they had to film but you know there

is Cooper you know Cooper's twist

you know he's now he's now you know


Cooper just that's his trains that that

is you know his tradition is into like

making that decision yeah I mean you

love to hate him you gotta have a good a

good guy to hate mm-hmm so now this this

sequence here with this feeding frenzy

what freaked me out

well mr music like that laughing this

has sort of low bass drum and the idea

that you steamed he's not me

coming in at grabbing people fighting

over intestines and chewing on bones and

it was so it was so horrific to me when

I first saw a movie yeah I mean great

scrambling for guts on the on the ground

and in the dirt it's it's incredible

I've looked at your filmography and

you've worked on special effects and so

many extremely fantastic gory films

right and one of them actually was

piranha 3d and listen I know like I went

into that movie theater thinking oh this

is gonna be like you know I can't write

and it was but I was so impressed by how

disgusting the special effects were and

very much very much in that in that vein

no pun intended of just like pulling out

all the body parts and and just seeing

sort of seeing guts filled out in ways

that I had never seen we had so much fun

on that film but you know body parts

aside you know thinking about this film

and what horror movies have been out to

day before that Living Dead came out you

know that shot Oh without eating the

bone and then the others nabhi like at

the hand in the foreground and just

taking pieces of meat off of it like

there was there was nothing that had

ever been made that was that repulsive

because film even even the vampire

movies in their camera movies weren't

that glory like you'd see Christopher

Lee with a bunch of blood on his face

but you would never they would very

often cut away you know you'd seeds

actually tape them up and they never

really never saw but even if you even

look at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre

which which you know I I prefer my let

me get over chainsaw even though I still

think chainsaw is genuinely terrifying

but you don't really need a lot in that

movies so much of it is implied in that

film that when you get to this movie

you're actually seeing that's that were

handed with with much being torn off of

it and it was just gut-wrenching to me

and I'd never seen anything like it so

when we get to Dawn of the Dead record

they stepped it up five hundred percent

right part on one the first time I

thought that yeah art on discord has a

question about that as well he says so

I've heard in The Walking Dead that

they've used condoms full of barbeque

when they want to shoot walkers eating

intestines is first of all is that true

and also do you know what they were

actually eating in the sequence I know

that they used real entrails

like the two zombie gods that are holy

and fighting over there the gods I know

they used real entrails for that George

really always sort of embraced that

planet that kind of vibe

in terms of other Walking Dead a lot of

times we would

use condoms or most the time it was like

water balloons we would fill water

balloons up with blood and we would hand

them to a zombie and the zombie would

bite into it as an i would instruct them

to pull it apart as they've invited for

the bloggers would sort of explode and

we did use barbecue or a lot the

interesting thing is there's a lot of

vinegar and the barbecue so the vinegar

would take all the makeup off right

around the mouth no after like an hour

you know bobby was like pink lips red

lips again it was the vinegar and then

there was the day more like just get in

there start eating in one of the zombies

he liked vegetarian I can't eat that

vegetarian zombie horrible talking about

Bill Parker earlier it was the local

television Saturday night television

host he also was the weatherman on June

11 he's the interviewer he's the guy

that doing the interviews though for me

that was something that made it even

more real was the guy who did the news

every single day when I was growing up

was doing the news reports and I am

living dead I was like wait a minute I

know that guy he's a news reporter but

he's a news reporter in this movie and a

lot of the characters a lot of the guys

that are in the in this scene were guys

that worked for George you know Vince

Mariinsky who was like George's

accountant he's one of them he's one of

the guys that is part of the is part of

the hunting party so so much of all this

stuff was about was about George just

getting his getting his pals to come

down and you know be be extra thin he's

like come on leave the office and get


I love that I love that so much and

anytime people do that I mean like you

you know you know I mentioned the Evil

Dead films earlier but it's always shows

up on screen like you can always tell

that people are just it's just a bunch

of people that are just really want to

make a fun movie putting everything they

have into it well you hope so that's all

you can hope right

the next obstacle gets presented here

the power's out now yep good music sting

yeah and here you've got you've got

Cooper still trying to I mean and and

you can talk about this too in your work

in the walking dead this dynamic about

you know here here this is a zombie

movie and then the main conflict is in

the house yeah yeah because that's what

that's the human condition that's what

you know the markers are the monsters

and you know any any time you hear about

zombie movies there's always a metaphor

for who the zombies are these are

society consuming itself for this for

that so in this particular instance I

think now that we get it probably the

cleanest and most pure there's not a

tremendous amount of sort of allegory at

what the zombies are I think it's just

George wanted to tell like a fun story a

fun thrilling story they wanted to make

a horror movie and I think even back in

the day if I remember

Russ Reiner who plays Johnny used to say

like you know when they were talking

about it they were like horror movies

make a lot of money and we should make

harmonii yeah I really I really have a

recollection of a confrontation where

that was how my living-dead remark like

oh hey you can make some money making

horror movies and we're a little company

we're not a lot honey and did you know

George did a lot they don't want to

commercials in Pittsburgh before so I

think astana from the zombie eating

sequence this sequence is the most

terrifying yeah me yeah well in just the

sound design to just the constant just

banging on the out outside that you

can't get away from well I know it's

funny because I don't what I'm again I'm

a little off with you guys but there was

one particular shot it you know when

Helen is pinned up against the door and

the doors blurting the buckle in the

hands upon the in and yeah grabbing at

her they would so because the way George

sets up his is sequences he shows you

what the monster is capable of doing and

then he leaves it to your imagination

like in Dawn of the Dead like in the

opening scene where you see the zombie

bite into the moment smack that's all

you need to see when you know what goes

on bees are capable so the way that

night Living Dead works you see that

great scene in the in the truck when the

zombies are tearing the intestines apart

you know what these people have in store

for them coming up so when Harry gets

shot and he falls down the steps and he

crawls towards his daughter's body which

is exactly what we're seeing right now

yeah yeah but again I think you know

even though when we last saw Karen you

know we weren't sure what was gonna

happen to her I think it's it's you know

at this point in the film even if you

didn't know there's on beer or pretty

much given what's gonna happen with

Karen and that makes this scene all the

more terrifying with him being down

there with her in the state that he's in

oh yeah I mean it's funny the first time

I saw it I didn't even think about it I

just thought oh he's going down to be

with his daughter here we go and again

it's that taboo that we were talking

about there's something just so

incredibly disturbing about

seeing her to me this is akin to Reagan

peeing on the floor and the Exorcist

it's just such an unnerving sequence

well not only that but when you see that

she's eaten part of the arm oil hmm the

little girl I always like when fastening

with that little chunk of meat baked in

their hands but then you get into the

weird kind of upward Hitchcock psycho

dad or mom with a garden trowel you know

I always like to take the truck off the

wall to stab her and just echoey mean


Gary and there's shadow on the wall but

he loved ripping zap


did it either Greg in your opinion like

you know you've had so many different

types of zombies and The Walking Dead is

there kind of one type of zombie whether

it be an age thing whether it be agenda

saying I don't know that you kind of

know we'll always terrify audiences

because for me it's always a little kid

oh wait we got to go back to right where

you saying is right before dog right now

and Johnny comes in and grabs Barbara

this that shot gave me nightmares

because it's what you don't think it'd

happen through you know gonna North but

when that pan comes in with the black

blonde and you see her face and he

grabbed her max I mean it's the most

terrifying zombie you can ever have it

somebody that you would never expect

yeah to be responsible for your death so

he grabs her and he also her into the

crowd and he hugs her and into a can you

see the gums mombi's on the amplifier

which time circling that idea that we

don't see what happened to the heroin

woman in the movie it that was so

traumatizing to me I had nightmares for

a week

well that's what this whole sequences is

built on right I mean because you've got

you've got this this couples little girl

their daughter kills them and eats them

it's I mean you're talking about the the

scariest zombie is the one that you

don't that you don't expect like anyone

to eat that's the most terrifying thing

is like imagining that your kid is just

this brainless thing that all they want

to do is kill you and then and then your

own brother

you know pulls it up into the swarm of

zombies and like it's not that the

violence is what's so terrifying about

it it's it's the the active of you know

it was it was your brother or it was

your legal attache the indescribable

loss or the humanity that can everything

you have that person and listen the

Walking Dead has done that very well in

a number of instances but it doesn't

matter because my living daddy what did

it to begin with and those music things

when your eyes open right here yeah well

here we have we have that like sort of

insect kind of at the base of your skull

digital sounding little drone that is

just the music in this sequence is so

great and Greg I love that you know

giving giving kudos to know the Living

Dead absolutely as it you know that this

is why we're watching it cuz it's so

seminal but the Walking Dead has done it

very well

it has they're being kind of a favorite

sequence that kind of is in step with

this where of yours where there has been

a sort of a devastating kill well Davis

leading one that is particularly I think

in Walking Dead in season one when Amy

comes back when a Loyola is holding in

the bell and her eyes open and they're

looking into her eyes just to try to

find some bit of humanity there like

like I'm not gonna miss these not gonna

be zombie she's gonna be my sister and

then they're in the entities in Syria

via coming out of the middle

desire again its shipped that tragic

that tragic and it's a law but you can't

mourn them and you can't comprehend that

they're gone because they're still

walking around they're still coming

forwards so I I felt like those two

particular instances both written by

Frank Darabont which really is what I

think made the Walking Dead's so

phenomenally successful was was it

opened the zombie genre to a wider

audience with those moments like Sophia

walking out of the barn litter I

remember reading scripts for the first

half of season two and I genuinely was

anxious for what I would do in that


because they were running around they

didn't know where to go they ended up in

Herschel farm I'm just really anxious

about it and then to end that whole

journey with the futility of hmm as

strong as those people were as capable

as those people were none of them could

save her that's the tragedy and that's

what makes that moment resonate so much

is Ric was a hero Darrow was a hero

they were all very capable they compare

themselves and looking out for the

people but they couldn't stop that from


Norman twist is so powerful again mr

zoom and by the way he because he hoped

mattered a night chiller theater in

Pittsburgh like I watched that every

night we were just leaving

him and his daughter ended up borrowing

in day the dead Laurie Cornero is don't

Kardos daughter

we meet actress horror families yeah

bill bill passed

I want to say three years ago and I had

spoken him a couple of weeks before he

passed away

I'm so proud of you I just love me you

fall for your dream and I would say

pillow I'm doing this because of you you

used to show horror movies one Saturday

night and you inspire me and he would

always get you don't worry little

squirrely when I would say that that's

true don't understand you made those

movies accessible to me and because of

you I my cult might my imagination

exploded with these great mods committee

can he like not on their Alma knows

that's not true

but he really wanted let me you know I'd

love to get a tremendous amount of

credit to the people that made these

movies accessible to us when we were

younger because if we hadn't have

feeling that living dead at my hands

teen and when I saw it who knows what

would have happened and to the directors

and the filmmakers that they they wanted

to buck the system and they wanted to be

bold and they wanted to be Mavericks and

and forever indebted to the little

filmmakers and I'm just excited that I

got to work with them and I get to be

friends with them and and continue to

collaborate with them and you know like

George and Wes Craven and Toby who

passed away and you know listen man

those guys were they were the real deal

and they helped shape this entire world

that we're living so here's the we're

into the little epilogue of the of the

film here the morning after and even

even just watching the the hunting party

kind of cruise through and just really

just take out all these zombies really

matter-of-factly almost is such a

strange change of pace and and Greg I'm

really really intrigued to hear what

like obviously once everyone watching

can see the ending I really intrigued to

hear what your initial response to the

ending was when you when you first saw

the film yeah well you know the funny

thing about

the militia and the people taking guns

then taking the law into their own hand

and taking to the countryside hunting

was just at the time you're like sure

that way that people wouldn't have done

but then we have the ending and I

remember the first time I saw this movie

I was in shock oh yeah I mean there it

is yeah I kept waiting for them to

happen but then the way that George

finished finishes the film by showing

the freeze-frame the grainy kind of

Texas Chainsaw Massacre again these have

so many peril and it looks like

newspaper clippings like the one

gathered in meathook and you realize

that that the Dwayne Jones character has

been relegated to a piece of meat that

they're gonna pick up with a meat hook

and hoist him on top of the fire and

then you see those those images it's a

there's something so cinéma vérité about

it that it has that realism that you're

like did i just see that yeah it was

real it looks real and you know a lot of

people always talk about you know the

fact that you know that the United

States was at war and the way that

people got their information about about

the war was through black-and-white

footage and newspaper photos and stuff

so it had that sort of sense of realism

too because that's what people were

accustomed to seeing at the time I still

find it like even even watching that now

I still get chills from that like Aaron

and I remember watching it for the first

time I think I was like what what that's

that's how that's how it ends it's such

a powerful unexpected cynical but

beautifully cynical ending well it stays

with you I mean you can't you can't

shake it

it's not like okay let's go have some

ice cream now like

yeah just don't you can't recover from

it because it's so it's it's just it's

brilliant and perfect and imagine the

movie ending any other way then that's

what I was gonna say like as as

difficult and ending as it is to kind of

swallow in the moment like I thinking

about the movie as a whole I don't know

how else you could have liked it

wouldn't be the same movie with a

different ending yeah and it's not and

that's probably why the the remake was

was a little confusing for people

because it's like can that ending is so

important to what the movie is yeah

well Greg thank you with us if you got

time I I'd love to ask you a few there's

a few other questions that we probably

we were watching it I was waiting for my

computer to explode so uh Scola who was

watching on on IGN in the hygiene chat

was said this has been great hanging out

do do you have any other favorite zombie

movies that you haven't worked on schoo

my offer is dead alive or re-animator

perhaps well no I got a the Shaun of the

Dead genre threat is probably in my top

10 favorite movies to begin with and I I

love it there's the such a great movie

and I'm really blessed to call the guys

my friends so if I could have worked on

Shaun of the Dead yeah that would have

been pretty great but I got to you know

I had characters named after me and Hot

Fuzz and I got to work with the guys so

I consider myself very fortunate but you

know everything else I've worked on all

the I've worked on all I didn't work on

any of the Resident Evil movies even

though I enjoyed the first the first two

movies a lot actually I worked on

bribery animator so I think

I've worked on pretty much every other

movie since 1988 but in terms of zombie

movies I love 28 days later – I mean not

that that's a zombie – but but I think

Shaun of the Dead would be one that you

know we we joke around in the shop

sometimes if you could go back in time

and work on any movie like you have to

pick three it's like creature rock or

King Kong or and it's always fun to hear

what people went you know what they

decide they would want to work on cool

Trading Cards and more on IGN YouTube

asks what has been you kind of you

touched on this a little bit but what

has been your favorite episode of The

Walking Dead to work on in Y well it's

hard because we've been doing it for so

long and there are episodes that I

forget about and then I go back to it

and I'll tell you that was there was an

episode in season 6 episode 9 where the

zombies invade Alexandria at night and

that's when the church the church Falls

in the previous episode and it's the

episode where Carl gets shot in the eye

and and I directed that episode and I

the original production schedule had a

shooting the entire scene episode during

the day and Scott Gimple who wrote it

Scott and I really felt that it needed

to be at night and I said guys this is

our neither Living Dead episode this is

our opportunity to have zombies invade

this this area and shoot it at night and

use the fog and use the blue nighttime

lighting and and really play up the idea

that this is as close as we're gonna get

to an homage to the night Living Dead as

were ever and again and I forgot about

that episode because and then somebody

said wait that was this really cool

episode on Queen I remember I directed

well that was but it was but you know

listen the show I'm proud of what the

actors have done I'm proud of whatever

the crew is done there's been people

that have been on the show for 10 years

and it's not an easy show to produce

it's very challenging because we have

very lofty expectations for our action

sequences and you know we shoot him in 8

days and we don't have 28 days and 14

million dollars in episode to shoot the

show so we got to embrace the the horror

element and embrace what's great about

it and and the characters and stuff so I

think everybody involved in the show

really has done a great job so I would

say that episode and of course Frank's

pilot is still to me the best episode of

the series but you know listen the show

still on there's still another episode

but I directed it's gonna come on

hopefully sometime because I did the

finale this year but we pushed it I

don't know what it's gonna be huh but I

got to direct the episode a couple weeks

ago I don't want to spoil it for people

but there was a big action scene and

then there was a big character deaths

and all this crazy stuff that went on

and and I had a great time shooting that

episode it was a really fun script and

the actors loved it and everybody's

there for the same reason so yeah we

have to ask is is there a plan for the

ending of The Walking Dead not that I

know I don't you know I mean I trust me

you know a lot of us I'm curious myself

always as to how long the show will go

because you know I've been on the show

for a long time and you know my kids

were are gonna be 11 years older than

when I started the show as I started you

know 11 years ago

but you know there's a lot of story to

tell in the world and you know this

season I think this season has been

really strong I think Angela and the

writers have done a great job of

crafting some really compelling

storylines that have taken us on a great

journey so I don't know but trust me

I've asked any thoughts about when we're

gonna wrap it up

I wouldn't mind running off and doing

some other stuff but no Peep Show has

kept me busy in the hiatus and you know

I'm excited that the show drops on on

DVD May 19th

you know and if she's gonna air the

entire first season Creepshow on the

network so it's a sequel I mean that's

my as close as I can get to to saying

thank you to George for everything that

he's done for me

my re-telling Creepshow with new

directors and new writers and even some

old school Stephen King right right so

yeah that's that's great well in it made

mid May May 19th that's far enough away

we'll have to have you back so we can

watch them some Creepshow with you right

it'll be worth checking in just to see

what you've done with the wolf man in

the pod yes standing on top of the pot I

probably have a hard yeah well thank you

again Greg for being here and we really

appreciate you watching that it'll look

good with us in everybody that's been

watching at home if you did miss this

stream some of the stream or if you just

want to watch it again the whole thing

will live on as a VOD so make sure to

queue up Night of the Living Dead again

it's it's playing for free and less

places so you can watch it and watch it

along with this commentary and again

Greg Nicotero thank you so much for

being here thank you it was great

you wanna do it again it was a black

will do it out so much good night















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