Vegan Infighting & Why Your Family Won’t Go Vegan | In Conversation with Dr. Melanie Joy

by birtanpublished on August 17, 2020

hello everyone and welcome to the next episode of the disclosure podcast I hope you're all well I hope you're all safe I hope you're all doing ok today's podcast is a conversation I had with dr. Melanie joy when I was in Berlin back in

November when I was doing my speaking tour throughout Germany the Netherlands and Switzerland where I went to universities schools businesses different institutions and so when I was in Berlin I was very lucky to be given

The opportunity to speak to dr. Melanie joy and so that is this conversation it's gonna be coming right up just just before we get into that if you enjoy listening to the Disclosure podcast then please do leave a review it readers mean

The world to me and also if you enjoy listening to it and I also do a patron only podcast every month which is basically where my patron community asks me questions and I hopefully give good answers to that and so by sign up to my

Patreon you support the work that I do and my activism but you also get access to that monthly podcast as well and so let's get into today's episodes and before we before we cut into the conversation just might give a little

Overview about Melanie and also her latest book which has just been released or was released between now and when the podcast was originally recorded so dr. Melanie joy is a harvard-educated social psychologist as well as a celebrated

Speaker and she is the author of the award-winning book why we love dogs eat pigs and where cows an introduction to carnism as well as strategic action for animals and beyond beliefs a guide to improving relationships and

Communication for vegans vegetarians and meat eaters dr. joy has given her acclaimed carnism presentation and trained vegan advocates on six continents and her work has been featured in major media outlets all

Around the world now dr. Mel enjoys her latest book it's called getting relationships right it's available to buy now which might be something you'll be interested in since we have all this time as well in the world right now and

Reading is a really good way of of utilizing the time that we have and so getting relationships right is similar to beyond beliefs if that's one of the ones that you have previously read but it

From more of a mainstream audience and so it's a one step guide to developing relational literacy so the understanding of an ability to practice healthy ways of relating anyone who reads it will learn how to be more empathetic practice

Greater integrity examine how their choices impact others including of course animals and think critically about systems of oppression and so that's available to buy now if that's something that you'd be interested in

But without further ado let's go into the conversation I really hope you like it thank you so much guys for listening and here it is so welcome dr. Melanie joy thank you so much for joining me on the air on the podcast thanks it's a

Pleasure I'm surprised and really glad it worked out very last minute and finally here we are I've been wanting to talk for a long time so this is great we've been emailing probably for about 18 months now trying to like reach some

Time to talk so now it's finally happened and rather last minute just cuz I was doing a talk in Berlin last night at the University and and Chris from Pro veg was like hey you know Mellie is gonna be around tomorrow which when I do

Podcast I was like yes so here we are so let's keep it there kind of very open and brief and quite organic but less staff really simply I'm obviously you've been doing a lot of freaking out because you're working I guess I'm encouraging

People to reevaluate their lifestyles for a long long time now and so I'm kind of very interested what led you to veganism on your personal kind of journey well yeah I have been advocating veganism for I think thirty years now so

It's been a really long time yes so backsons since 18 1989 actually and I was 23 then so but it was yeah it really emerged out of my own personal journey I was you know like many people I grew up at many people in the u.s. anyway I grew

Up with a dog who I loved and I grew up eating meat eggs and dairy and I was always a person who cared about animals I would you know of course never want animals to suffer or to cause animals to suffer especially when that suffering

Was so intensive and so unnecessary and yet I of course ate them every single day and quite a bit actually I was like the meatlovers pizza girl I used to get Domino's pizzas with you know every kind of meat on it extra cheese but it was

You know it wasn't until I ended up getting sick when I was 23 years old I was sickened from eating a hamburger that was contaminated with Campylobacter and I wound up hospitalized and like just after that

Experience I didn't want to eat meat or eggs again and then dairy came shortly thereafter but it really it was it was meat and eggs I was just it wasn't in my you know to my recollection quote-unquote ethical decision I made

Except to take care of my body which is ethical of course but I was just really disgusted by the idea of eating meat and so it was when I was looking for information about how to cook vegetarian like how to be a vegetarian that I

Stumbled upon information about animal agriculture and what I learned just shocked and horrified me so but what shocked me perhaps even more was that nobody I talked to was willing to hear what I had to say they were always like

Don't tell me that you'll ruin my meal so this was really my introduction into veganism and then it was the response of the people around me who were irrational people caring people just like I had been who were just completely shutting

Down the conversation every time I tried to share with them information I felt was completely relevant and important for them to know that really led me on the journey of the work that I ended up doing for the movement to support the

Movement and Beyond the movement yeah and so a pop that was at work that you did was use you well coined the phrase carnism so you describe what carnism is sure I eventually studied psychology I enrolled in a doctoral program to study

Psychology and I was curious about what is the psychology the question I had was what is the psychology of violence and non-violence how is it that good people participate in harmful practices without realizing what they're doing and and

Then I focused my dissertation on the psychology of eating animals and that led me to discover what I came to call carnism which is the invisible belief system or ideology that conditions people to eat certain animals it's it's

Basically the opposite of veganism right we tend to assume that only vegans and vegetarians follow a belief system but the only reason that most of us learn to eat pigs but not dogs for example it's because we do have

A belief system when it comes to eating animals when when eating animals is it's not a necessity which is true for many people in the world today then it's a choice and choices always stem from beliefs so that was what led me to point

The term carnism that's interesting I think that we do have this idea don't we that the becoming vegan is based on a belief system but but eating animals is somehow just you know it seems so obvious in the way that it must be a

Belief system then that we cling on to right but it's also something we never think about because it's so culturally I guess and socially engrained yes well and even more than that it's not just carnism it's not just a belief system

It's a particular type of belief system it's an oppressive system right it's a well first of all it's a dominant belief system and that means it's invisible it's it's entrenched it's so widespread that its tenants its teachings

Essentially our scene is a given rather than a choice you know it's basically carnism is basically woven through the very structure of society it shapes you know norms laws beliefs behaviors etc but it's invisible so we don't recognize

That this karna stick bias is is really it's everywhere so when we study nutrition for example most people don't realize that they're studying karna stick nutrition right right so so it's a widespread ideology or a dominant

Ideology and carnism is also a violent ideology you know meat cannot be procured without killing and of course egg and dairy production caused extensive harm to animals and and violent ideologies or oppressive systems

Like carnism run counter to core human values particularly the values of compassion and justice and so what carnism needs to do is to use a set of psychological and social defense mechanisms so that rational

Compassionate people engage in irrational uncompassionate behaviors without fully realizing what they're doing so this is why you know most people never really reflect on the fact that they're eating animals because the

Way the whole way the system is structured yeah it's designed to keep them from even realizing that they do have a choice and that there is another way to be and I think that's you said something

Which I think is really important which is that carnism enables good people to do bad things and I think when I became vegan and I think when I particularly start advocating for veganism I felt I was probably quite misanthropic and I

Was blaming humans for their actions and I think and I found it very easy to create this kind of like binary where it's like this is what a good person looks like and this is what a bad person looks like and it's it's a very

Destructive mindset and so actually what I found very humbling actually but also really constructive was recognizing they know good people do bad things and this kind of karna stick you know or a consumption of animals or the use of

Animals is an example of a bad thing but it doesn't define someone's been wholly bad and if we can recognize that people are good but a trapped almost in this kind of like but indivisible belief system then that allows us to kind of

It's not that we empathize it's not that we understand people but we can at least have some form of validation or find validation and why they do they do the things they do absolutely absolutely and this is one of the reasons it's so

Important for vegans to recognize carnism because you know it does enable us to understand that good people can participate in harmful practices that doesn't necessarily make them bad people we are all embedded in myriad multiple

Systems of oppression my new book called power our key understanding the psychology of oppression for social transformation actually looks at it applies carnism but but beyond right it builds on what I talked about in carnism

To really look at the psychology of oppression in general and in that book I talked about how you know humans are we're remarkably good at compartmentalizing ie there are plenty of vegans who are advocating for

Non-human liberation and you know who have examined and become aware of their own speciesism who nevertheless are very resistant to examining and even hearing about there are other forms of privilege that they might have male privilege and

White privilege and class privilege and so forth so we you know so often we feel that we've stepped of one ism and we've kind of got it you know we're no longer part of the problem but more often we step out of one ISM

Only to remain mired and many others and so it can be really helpful particularly for vegans who are struggling with frustration and anger struggling to be able to really feel empathy for and connect with non vegans to appreciate

That all of us are part of these multiple systems of oppression and people stay stuck in the systems you know people will not change a behavior and a change in attitude until they're ready to make that change until they

Feel safe enough to do so and it might seem very easy and very straightforward for those of us who just stopped eating animals and we're like one day I'm done which is most people at least who are active in the movement most of the you

Know the most activists or many activists I should say are those people who were like okay I'm done I'm never eating animals again yeah and then assume that everybody else is like that or should be like that and if they're

Not like that that just makes them bad but people need to feel safe enough to make the changes that we're asking them to make this is not justifying eating animals at all it doesn't mean we don't hold people accountable and work to

Change problematic behaviors but we need to appreciate psychology and why people stay stuck in places that they do I think that is so pertinent to the conversation right now in the movement and I think what you said before is

Interesting I kind of think that the the ethical aspect of that kind of vegan transition is similar to the environments or one in the sense of you know veganism is very beneficial for the environment but it's by no means the

Only thing that we need to be looking out within our own behaviors to help the environment and so I think when it comes to like values and morals and how we treat others in the world like veganism is a great stepping stone but it's not

The only thing that we need to be addressing within our own lifestyles absolutely should be I see like the it state that's the biggest first step that we can make and then we have to look at all these different aspects of the world

That we have an impact on your sustainability but also in terms of like oppressive systems and how we view humans and nonhumans within that as well and I agree it's not about it's not about excusing people's behavior

It's but it's about holding people accountable but understanding and I think again what you just said right at the end of that is really important as well that I often we hear in conversations

Someone will get really angry and non-vegan because maybe they're non-vegans like well I just like the taste of bacon too much and we can take that kind of like excuse on face value but we ignore that there's this whole

System behind it there's at that cultural system there's yeah but there's also these kind of like very old archaic transgressive kind of beliefs as well but we've probably taken from you know when we were nomadic and we brought on

And so we need to understand that when people use excuses it they're not just saying it on face value there's this whole system behind them that's led them up to this point and understand those systems is it's liberating I think in

Terms of our communication yeah and I would even see those those expressions of somebody's beliefs not even as excuses but rather as justifications you know learned justifications rather than just personal excuses and and its really

True and I think it's um it's it's very important for for everybody particularly particularly for those of us who are trying to create a better world for all beings to appreciate the way that to appreciate this broader overarching way

Of thinking that can get in the way of us that can actually drive us to become the very thing we're trying to transform and so in my in my book power are key I actually talk about you know it's you're saying veganism is it's incredibly

Important it's not the solution to all the world's problems but no solution will be complete without it Absalon right yeah but really it reflects a mindset that reflects a value set it essentially reflects a way of relating

You know when I think about veganism I think about it as a way of relating to yourself others and the world and this is one one expression one manifestation of a deeper commitment to healthy relation a leti to wanting to move

Through the world and relate in a way that does less harm and that reflects compassion or reflects justice and when you think about it in in my in my book power Archy I look oppression through the lens of

Relationships you know oppression is a psychological phenomenon but even more specifically as a relational phenomenon if we look at oppression systems of oppression right just like you know carnism speciesism sexism racism

Classism and so on and we also look at other systems that are violent or problematic abusive systems like an abusive relationship or a dysfunctional workplace even all of these systems have the same basic structure and all of

These systems reflect precisely the same mentality in even more specifically they were they all reflect a belief in a hierarchy of moral worth a belief that some individuals or groups are more worthy of being treated with moral

Consideration essentially of respect with respect than others and when we look at the problems in our world you know oppression and abuse we can see that they all reflect relational dysfunction it's a dysfunction and how

We relate as social groups as individuals to one another to non-human animals and also to the environment so I completely agree with what you're talking about being vegan you know we have to be very careful not to get into

This stuck in this identity that I'm vegan I've got it this is it it's it's not about just being vegan it's about being committed to relating in a way that's healthy and that means relating in a way interacting with others and

Yourself in a way that reflects integrity meaning are you practicing compassion and justice yeah and honors their dignity right and if you do that you cultivate connection in your relationships or in your interactions

And when you don't you end up with disconnection yeah and so absolutely and so we talk about understanding having I guess some form of like validation to or to why people you know ardently defend something that they probably

Fundamentally disagree with so let's say that we're engaged in conversations with people I should let let's talk about family because I think this is probably the most important one for a lot of people listening and selfishly I'm

Intrigued to hear what you might say to this but to get just bringing us into that question little personal story so the first will use the word activism it's quite loose but the first form of activism I ever

Did is I emailed my parents right I've been vegan for about a year and I watched interesting the the secret reason why we meet in 2015 and I remember watching it I'll afterwards either this is a great video it's like

So non-judgmental but it really lays everything out like you can't argue if it's got the footage in there for you know people need that little graphic footage polish he's got everything but it's done in a rain on confrontational

Way and I said this is what I need to send my mother my dad this will do it anyway so I sent the video to my mum and my dad in an email that was basically like hey you know hey mum hey Dad they're both divorced so they both got a

Separate email and it was like I'm you know you know I'm vegan these are the reasons why so did like a paragraph on ethics a paragraph for the environment paragraph and health by the way check this video I think it's really great

My dad didn't reply to me but my mum replied to me and the first thing she said was I think and I'm also put on this planet for us to eat but she's not really religious that was very confusing for me because she doesn't go to church

She doesn't read the Bible I'm not baptized none nothing religious really in our family my grandma but not my mom but then she also said about synthetic proteins and I was going to die and that really made me upset and

Angry because I was really outraged by that and I think we all have lots of problems with your family for me that the hardest people to communicate with I would rather speak to a farmer than my mum about veganism well yeah I mean and

And I have spoken with thousands of vegans around the world as have you and it's the same story over and over again right where family is so often the hardest the most frustrating the most heartbreaking in some ways and vegans

Often also just say that becoming vegan you know was in many ways one of the most empowering of the experiences may be the most empowering experience of their life and then they find that after they become vegan their relationships

And communications start to break down right right with friends with family and also even beyond that so it's a great question I can I actually I speak to this quite a bit in my book beyond beliefs which is a guide for vegans

Aryans and meat-eaters and relationships and communication and to speak directly to your question why is it so hard to with family I mean me number one people are at different stages of readiness to hear the vegan message you know there

Are so many different factors that determine whether somebody is going to be or how receptive somebody will be to our message let's say you know we communicate quite effectively you know you can communicate with somebody who is

Extremely defensive you can communicate with somebody who's quite open you can communicate with somebody who's like afraid of going vegan because of what it might mean to their lives or their families and so forth so there are so

Many different variables that determine whether a person is or how ready a person is to hear the message and we don't pick family you know so we often just assume that people who are members of our own family by virtue of being

Members of our family we the vegan must be ready since we were they're not they're just other people yeah you know they they may be much less ready than some of the strangers we encounter on the street like we can't so so one

Problem is that we assume that there's a level of readiness simply because we identify with family members as being like us when it's often not there another problem is that there are often long-standing power struggles in place

Right so they get triggered when you start talking about veganism our carnism really it's so important to remember that when we're talking about veganism carnism when we're talking about veganism right underneath this

Difference is a relationship between people and that's where the focus needs to be so when you're dealing with somebody you've already have a relationship with and there's an established dynamic between you a power

Dynamic say or you know there's just long-standing grievances and frustrations and then you bring on top of that you know a difference like veganism and carnism a difference that many people are already defended against

It can really be explosive it also is true that I think one of the reasons vegans struggle anyway so much and with relationships is because we have a desire to feel we know that humans are hard-wired to seek meaningful

Connections with others yeah we know that and many of us have a desire to have a meaningful connection with those who are closest to us who are often our friends and our close friends and our family and it's very hard for vegans

Often to feel connected with people whose behaviors violate some of the principles we hold most dear and that pain of disconnection can often fuel our desire to quote unquote convert people and our family there's this unconscious

Or maybe conscious sense that if only you were vegan I would be able to feel connected with you again because I miss that feeling of being connected with you something that I think I found within my own personal family dynamic was that my

Family tried to raise me with what they perceived to have mean it'll be good values good morals they want they wanted me to be like a well integrated citizen and you know and all these different things that I think most parents you

Know hopefully want from their kids and I think that when parents go vegan when their children do it requires I think that requires so much humility within the parent because they raise their children in a certain way so I went via

Can just for I was 21 around 21 and I said all right there is no Venus because I think to use animals is immoral and so I'm telling my parents the way they raised him he is amoral now it's not directly me saying that but it is in a

Way directly me saying that because I'm saying that this is what I think now you've given me these bad morals and you're still living by bad morals and so I think just from us declaring our veganism for those reasons will

Automatically create a very natural and understandable friction and then it's almost our job to reduce that friction rather than expecting our parents to just come around to it straightaway because they're automatically gonna feel

Threatened I think you know and you have these like dynamics of like parents teach children and you know when a child all of a since that's teaching their parents it's disrupting these kind of like archaic power dynamics maybe but

Yeah certainly for some fair parents that's that's more true for some parents than others and you're absolutely right in its why it's important for us to frame our message in a way that increases the chances that it will be

Heard the way we intend it to be and not end up creating even more defensive nasubi cuz these karna stick this karna stick mentality it's it's internalized and it just creates this automatic defensive

'no sin in non-vegans essentially it's like all you have to do is say on vegan and you can like feel the wall going up so yeah we need to be really careful in a strategic to the best of our ability about how we communicate about the issue

And you know this is why you know talking about you know why when when somebody ask you why are you vegan and sharing your own story as opposed you know just your beliefs like I think it's immoral it's quite different than saying

I became vegan because I heard about I learned about what happened to the animals and I didn't want to be a part of that and here's what I learned so there are certainly ways to frame the issue to increase the chances that

People will hear it and respond to it so true but so let's say that now we're talking about we talked about Allah by Tomic to non vegans specifically family and friends but let's say like obviously the wonderful thing about the vegan

Movement growing is that it brings in people from all different walks of life and the fact that was demographically speaking was so varied now is really wonderful but I guess the the the crux to that is there's people that are

Always kind of differing opinions different views people think some forms of activism is better than other forms and everyone ever you know it's very hard to quantify effectiveness in certain certain things in certain

Regards but we have a general idea of what could be more effective than others but how do we offer as a movement constructive feedback to one another in a way that avoids this kind of feeling of I guess we use words like infighting

Or like blame culture how do you foster a sense of progressing together through open dialogue with each other I think that's to me I found that very challenging to to see how we do that challenging and really important I mean

This is what we do through our Center for effective vegan advocacy stiva we we train vegans largely in effective communication strategies and you know learning effective communication is one of the most important things any of us

Can learn you know which is it's a component of relational literacy you know like relational literacy is the understanding of and ability to practice healthy ways of relating and most of us don't learn this most of us haven't

Gotten any training in it and in fact we've learned the opposite because most of us were not raised in the healthiest ways and if our parents didn't screw us up in some ways and Hollywood did it for them and

If Hollywood didn't then the government did and so on and so forth so we haven't had healthy modeling but you know there are a few practical things that that we can do one of the things that I always recommend and especially you know I

Talked about this in my book power are key you know recognizing this mentality that underlies all forms of oppression and and an abuse this this power what I call the power a couple mentality one way you can tell whether you're under

The influence of this way of thinking is is to notice whether you're feeling one of the two emotions of either contempt or shame these are two sides of the power Arkell coin as it were power are keys that the term I use to describe the

Metta system of oppression drugs like if we think of oppressions like carnism speciesism sexism and so forth at spokes on a wheel yeah power arc is like the hub right right so it's it informs all of the

Systems so when you feel contempt that's an indication that you've placed yourself in a position of moral superiority all right okay yeah and it's a red flag if you feel contempt chances are that says more about you than

Whoever you're feeling contempt about yeah and if you feel shame that's an indication that you're perceiving yourself in a position of moral inferiority so a lot of it let me back up these are both these are both

Emotions that just exist in relationship in comparison they only exist when we're comparing ourselves for example to another or even when we compare ourselves to an idealized version of ourselves whenever we feel contempt we

Almost automatically feel justified in communicating or relating in a way that's toxic that that doesn't honor dignity we're perceiving somebody is less than in other words less worthy of being treated with respect and so this

Infighting that we can see this is power our key is you know when we flip the letter of power our key we end up with more of the same basically it's we are you know so many

Of us working for social justice and animal rights we're speaking out for justice but we're using language and an approach and a means that's unjust you know berating the people who we disagree agree with for example so we need to

Really learn to tune inside look inside ourselves ask ourselves am I feeling contempt right now before communicating with somebody you know pause and ask yourself what do I imagine this other individual might feel when they read

What I'm about to post really ask yourself that because the antidote to both contempt and shame is the same it's empathy right it's empathy so it means that we're disconnected for our empathy for others

Or for ourselves when we feel one of these emotions even on a more practical level we can think about you know our communication is every communication has two parts it has the content it's what we're talking about being vegan or

Certain types of vegan strategies or effectiveness or abolition or whatever and then it's the process and the process is how we are communicating the process matters more so if you think about a communication you've had her a

Conversation you had like six months ago or a week ago or a year ago you might have forgotten entirely what the content was you might not even know what you talked about but you probably remember how you felt in that conversation

Because the process determines how you feel when your process is healthy you can talk about anything our differences in the movement are not the problem it's how we relate to our differences that's the problem

And particularly it's making up a story about those who are different and perceiving them as inferior is somehow morally inferior and therefore a feeling that we have the right to communicate in a way that does not reflect integrity

Meaning to communicate in a way that's not compact not the way that we want would want to be communicated with if we were on the receiving end of that communication we need to be mindful of this we need to the most important thing

In my for us to do as a first step is to recognize that it is in fact problematic to communicate from a place of contempt that it really is deeply problematic to communicate in a way that doesn't honor

Somebody's dignity that means we communicate in a way that frames and and perceives them as somehow inferior it shames them it's shaming communication and studies have shown again and again that this toxic communication what I

Call power our Co Co communication is contagious when you're on the receiving end of it you're more likely to give that same kind of communication back whoever gave it to you and whether you do or not

You're also more likely to give it back to somebody else later in the day yeah it's contagious and it is is deeply destructive and I think the problem with social media is it it's easy to amplify some when you're communicating with them

In person right but when you're looking at like a little icon on the screen you dehumanize the person you're speaking to and so it's much easier to react in this kind of like it's almost like a form of catharsis isn't I suppose that you've

Got this pent-up frustration anger someone said something to you say you're you know penting up and so it's just cathartic just to to say something back to them and release kind of what temporarily and you feel even worse

Later true it's like a temporary catharsis yes absolutely true but it's not a long-term sustainable form of expressing no you're right about no your put your toxifying yourself every time you do it and everybody knows people

Know what it feels like because after you're done you know after the hi wears off from the Gotcha statement you know on some level we all know especially those of us who are really deeply committed to and concerned with creating

A more compassionate world we know that that is toxic and harmful and damaging I think fundamentally what we have to realize in our advocacy is empathy plays a huge part anybody who were talking to where is each other in the movement

People outside of it like an empathy like a kind of a psychological validation of other people's an understanding of where people come from I suppose is important and then understanding this kind of the

Mechanisms and then con ISM this you know invisible belief system that puts people assists in a situation where that perpetuating ideologies and beliefs that actually probably go against how they

Fundamentally feel as individuals and I think that is very important and so I think like in our advocacy yes I have not fought about a lens before actually you said this has really reaffirmed a lot of what I say to people which is

Don't put the pressure on yourself to turn people vegan that's what that's what we want of course it's what we want but it sets us up to be disappointed always because people take time they you know they need to explore these ideas

For themselves we have to remind ourselves what worked for us how did we reach this point is very important that through communication we study well exactly what you was actually what you're educating social psychology to

Understand these mechanisms within people learning about it absolutely is important it's I wrote my book beyond beliefs as a way to condense a lot of these principles in this understanding specifically for vegans who want to

Improve their communication with other vegans and also with the non vegans in their lives so you know hopefully that can be a helpful tool for people we also have resources at vegan advocacy organic are nizam org for people exactly and

What can people find out about Siva trainings if they want to just visit one in their local areas vegan advocacy org excellent and also you have a TEDx talk which is in the top 1% I think of all TEDx talks ever right so that's really

Amazing and it's a wonderful tool as well so do check that out on YouTube also I mentioned something in the in the podcast which was the secret reason we meet which I think again like I said is a really great video so check that out

As well yeah and and your books can be found on Amazon they can come to carnism org and Melanie joy at work excellent okay fantastic oh well thank you so much dr. melanie joy for taking the time out of your busy schedule to come and speak

To me i hugely appreciate it and I hope that the listeners have found what we've said to be insightful these are issues that come up all the time and I think always will because conversation and discourse is fundamental to human

Coexistence but in terms of vegan advocacy is also fundamental as well so I learned a lot and feel inspired to reach out to look at more of URM educational resources but thank you so much for joining thank you it's been

Such a pleasure you

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hey guys techrax here so just trying to make this video short and quick i'm having recently i got five hundred thousand subscribers and yeah most of you guy...
hey guys texture so in this video I have a drop test on the latest LG g3 device now this is actually the gold-coloured LG g3 this has not been released in the U...
hey guys techrax here so in this video we'll teach you guys how to make your iPhone indestructible this is essentially a case that's been around for yea...
hey guys techrax here soon in this video we had a train run over the iPhone 5s so we actually did this in two different instances initially we had a Space Gray ...
hey guys tech cracks here so in this video we're going to be dropped testing the newly released Amazon fire phone this is exclusive for AT&T and I belie...
hey guys techrax here so right here with me I have the Amazon fire phone this is the one I dropped and you know I thought what better what else do I do with thi...