Trump urged to pardon Flynn after commuting Stone’s sentence

published on July 13, 2020

COVER THAT AND WE WILL GO TO YOU LIVE AS IT HAPPENS FOR NOW, ROBERT RAY IS ABOUT TO JOIN ME FORMER WHITEWATER INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND MEMBER OF THE PRESIDENT’S IMPEACHMENT DEFENSE

TEAM GREAT TO SEE YOU TODAY, ROBERT I WANT TO START WITH SOMETHING NANCY PELOSI SAID I KNOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE AGAINST ROGER STONE AND HOW

THE LAW WORKS, OBVIOUSLY HOW IS IT EXACTLY A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK, WITH THE PRESIDENT HAS CHOSEN TO DO BY COMMUTING A SENTENCE? TO SPEAK IT DOWN FOR US

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE WAS SOME UNDERLYING CRIME THAT WAS COMMITTED OTHER THAN A PROCESS CRIMES I DON’T MEAN TO SUGGEST, HARRIS, THAT PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF

JUSTICE, WITNESS TAMPERING, AND FALSE STATEMENTS ARE NOT SERIOUS THEY ARE I THINK THAT IN PART EXPLAINS WHY THE PRESIDENT DID NOT PARDON

ROGER STONE HE JUST COMMUTED SENTENCE NONETHELESS, THE POINT OF AN INVESTIGATION IS TO APPLY PRESSURE SOMETIMES USING JUST PROCESS

CRIMES, BUT TO OBTAIN INFORMATION FROM SOMEONE LIKE ROGER STONE THAT CONSTITUTES SOMETHING OTHER THAN A PROCESS CRIME THE POINT, THOUGH, IS

REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN SAYING THAT THIS WAS AN INVESTIGATION THAT BEGAN UNDER AN ERRONEOUS PREMISE, THAT WHAT WAS TO BE

FOUND HERE WAS RUSSIA COLLUSION ROGER STONE DIDN’T HAVE ANY INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO RUSSIA COLLUSION, SO THEY PROSECUTED HIM NONETHELESS AND HAVE TRIED TO APPLY PRESSURE IN

ORDER TO GET HIM TO COOPERATE HE DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO COOPERATE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT IN A NUTSHELL, NANCY PELOSI’S PREMISE IS IN ERROR IT PRESUPPOSES THAT ROGER STONE

HAD EVIDENCE OF RUSSIA COLLUSION, AND HE DIDN’T >> Harris: INTERESTING I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW OTHER PRESIDENTS AND THEIR CHOICES, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

PREDECESSORS, WHEN IT COMES TO GRANTING COMMUTATIONS IN PARTICULAR SO FAR, HE HAS ISSUED 11 FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA COMMUTED THE SENTENCES FOR MORE

THAN 1700 PEOPLE ROBERT, WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS COMPARISON? >> CROCODILE TEARS I AM FAMILIAR WITH PARDONS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO

PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, AND I PROSECUTED A NUMBER OF CASES THAT WERE PROCESS CRIMES AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO GET AT OTHER INFORMATION THAT WAS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE

EVERY PRESIDENT ISSUES PARDONS, AND THE PARDON POWER IS DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S PEOPLE SOMETIMES THERE IS OVERREACHING

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT BOTH ROBERT MUELLER AND DONALD TRUMP CAN BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AS WELL I THINK THEY FELT THAT WHAT

ROGER STONE DID WAS A PROBLEM, THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS EXERCISED HIS COMMUTATION POWER IN ORDER TO EXTEND MERCY AND TO ABSOLVE ROGER STONE NOT OF THE CONVICTION, BUT SO

THAT HE DOESN’T HAVE TO SERVE A SENTENCE SPEW WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP BOB MUELLER PREVIOUS TO YOU COMING OUT OF ME WAS REPORTER KRISTIN FISHER

SENATE JUDICIARY CHAIR LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS THAT HE WILL GRANT THE DEMOCRAT REQUEST NOT TO HAVE FORMER SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER TESTIFIED AFTER HE DEFENDED THE RUSSIA

INVESTIGATION IN THE OP-ED HE WROTE OVER THE WEEKEND HERE IS ADAM SCHIFF REACTING >> CALMLY SCRIPTABLE CALL ME SKEPTICALEVEN AFTER THE CALL ME SKEPTICALEVEN AFTER THE ANNOUNCED, HE SAID HE THOUGHT IT

WAS A PERFECTLY GOOD IDEA I SUSPECT THAT ALL LINDSEY GRAHAM WANTS TO DO IS CONTINUE HIS COUNTERFACTUAL COUNTER NARRATIVE, THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS SOMEHOW THE

VICTIM >> Harris: ROBERT, BEFORE I COME TO YOU WITH A QUESTION, I WILL MAKE THIS COMMENT WHEN YOU HEAR ADAM SCHIFF THERE, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE DEMOCRATS

DON’T WANT TO TAKE, "YES, YOU CAN HAVE BOB MUELLER" WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HERE WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HERE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE? >> I THINK IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO BEFORE THE SENATE

IF IT’S NOT ANY BETTER WITH REGARD TO THE LAST TIME THAT BOB MUELLER I SUSPECT THAT’S A GOOD DAY IN THIS POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT FOR THE REPUBLICANS

I DON’T SEE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALL THAT ANXIOUS TO SHORE UP BOB MUELLER AS FAR AS THEY’RE CONCERNED ABOUT A COUNTERFACTUAL NARRATIVE, THAT IS A DISPARAGING

COMMENT THE TRUTH OF IT IS THAT THE COUNTERFACTUAL NARRATIVE IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY FACTS, NAMELY THAT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DID NOT REALLY

HAVE A PROMISE TO WORK OFF OF IN ORDER TO DO DAMAGE BOTH TO ROGER STONE AND MORE SIGNIFICANTLY TO GENERAL FLYNN THAT INVESTIGATION HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO AND FRANKLY

WOULD BE, IN THE END, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRESIDENTS POSITION ALL ALONG THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OR PRESIDENT EVER AGAIN

>> Harris: ONE LAST TOPIC WITH YOU TODAY, WE HAVE A LOT TO GET YOU I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" EDITORIAL BOARD IS URGING THE

PRESIDENT TO PARDON FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR MICHAEL FLYNN, SAYING IT’S TIME FOR THE PRESIDENT TO END THIS HIGHLY POLITICAL PROSECUTION THIS WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT

FROM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OR WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH ROGER STONE, COMMUTING HIS SENTENCE THIS IS A FULL PARDON >> YEAH, I DON’T THINK THAT’S GOING TO BE NECESSARY

GENERALLY SPEAKING, PRESIDENTS ARE RELUCTANT TO STEP IN AND EXERCISE THEIR PARDON POWER IF THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY ACADEMIC I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COURTS

ULTIMATELY WILL DO THE RIGHT THING HERE I KNOW IT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME AND EVERYBODY’S PATIENCE HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED, BUT I DO NOT THINK THE JUDGE STEPPING INTO

THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING YET AGAIN IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DISPLACE THE RIGHT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO END A PROSECUTION I BELIEVE, IF HE DOESN’T DO IT

VOLUNTARILY, THE COURT OF APPEALS WILL STEP IN AND DO IT FOR HIM >> Harris: YOU AND I HAVE TALKED PREVIOUSLY WHEN THIS HAS COME UP WITH THAT PARTICULAR

JUDGE YOU HAVE SAID, "YOU MAY SEE A DELAYED PROCESS," WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT JUDGE — I’M QUOTING YOU TO YOU NOW — THAT HE EVEN HAD WHAT IT WOULD TAKE

TO STOP THIS LEGALLY, COMPLETELY COMPLETELY YOUR LAST FINAL THOUGHT? >> I DON’T BELIEVE THAT HE DOES THE ON BANC COURT OF THE DC

CIRCUIT, THE APPELLATE COURT, MAY HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY THAT WOULD IT SURPRISE ME ENORMOUSLY WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE

IS SEPARATION OF POWER THE POWER TO PROSECUTE OR NOT PROSECUTE RESIDES EXCLUSIVELY WITH THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH JUDGES SHOULD NOT BE IN THOSE

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