PlayStation 5 vs. Xbox Series X: Next-Gen Consoles Face Off This Holiday

by birtanpublished on October 3, 2020

hello and welcome to the pop-off pc mag show where we talk about video games the latest in the industry news trends opinion and today we're talking about one of the biggest things that can happen in this industry uh new consoles coming out i'm jordan miner i'm joined by will greenwald hello my colleague who i've spent countless hours talking about video games with in the many years that we've known each other in real life and on the internet indeed um so yeah so sony had their big

You know their big ps5 event uh the other day depending on when you're watching this where they finally told us ps5 is coming out number 12 you can get the the main version 500 or 400 you can get the disc free version yeah um and now you know between that on the xbox you know series s series x stuff it finally feels like these are real things that are coming out and not just like us hypothetical threat of like maybe new consoles will come out this year yeah not the uh the whole like are they going to postpone it because of

The thing yeah no okay november all right cool yeah it's been so weird it feels like this this didn't exist yeah um so yeah i mean well you know i watched that whole event i assume you released so did i yeah so what are your you know what are your kind of immediate takeaways from like that price uh you know those configurations the release date did you pre-order one i did not yet okay i on a personal level i'm not entirely sold in on the new generation yet and i

Don't think sony or microsoft have really made the case yet because like especially when stuff like miles morales and uh is demon souls going to be uh ps5 only or like also ps4 demonstrates i think is ps5 but horizon west yeah forbidden dawn that's what it is for that one in miles they're still ps4 and it's like okay there's definitely cool stuff coming but it's coming next year so why not wait till next year to get the system when it'll be a bit less crazy than the

Launch and it says a lot that with the playstation plus collection where hey okay we know that launches are always kind of light so here's some of the best games of the last generation you can play right on your console that you might already have yeah um but the big question is the uh the graphical updates like how much how much is this new power and new speed going to really affect the games we play and from what we've seen so far whether

It's from xbox or playstation 5 i'm not really feeling a whole lot like looking at any of the stuff they've demoed is it really that much different from playing something on an xbox series an xbox xbox one x or we can get into their name convention another time it's insane or like a playstation 4 pro because they already can upscale to 4k they already do some really good things and like there are these incremental upgrades that were just not really

Making the case for me yeah i feel like the biggest kind of tangible example people point to is in russian clank they're like fast loading you know between the different worlds because they have their like ssd um which is neat but yeah that's it's kind of that's still like a lot to explain to somebody um it isn't eight but it also makes me think like uh have you played titanfall 2 yes oh yeah that's a good that's a good point actually yeah like if if you build the levels and the

Sets like the right way you can do cool stuff like that and you don't necessarily need this the ssd of the ps5 to go between different areas if you're meant to go between different areas now if it's like a whole open world which ratchet clank usually isn't and you can actually jump between multiple worlds like completely on the fly sure that's impressive but i really feel like these are just big set pieces and you can do anything with set pieces already yeah and like we'll get into more when

We talk about kind of the whole landscape but like yeah like uh you know obviously the ps5 is kind of that one besides the disk drive it's kind of like the same like specs on both boxes but with xbox like there's like significant differences between the series s series x so like they're already kind of asking developers to scale their games in such dramatic ways anyway yeah biggest news i've seen or at least the biggest like cooling factor of the xbox series x besides the fact that it's

That it's has no disk drive which is just a huge like you know we didn't exactly like the xbox uh one sad series s alt digital again their names are weird uh but the fact that series s it has a third the teraflops of the series x and that the games they play from the last generation won't be in enhanced for xbox one x makes me wonder is this even going to be as powerful as an xbox one x i think in some respects it's not i think it's like there were there was the other speculation that like in terms

Of just like raw graphical power that it's maybe not but that cpu was more modern and you know it is but without the extra processing power is that really going to make much of a difference i mean ssd sure but yeah i mean you know it um as long as it plays game pass that's all you know that's all they care about that's all that microsoft cares about yeah they are big on game pass i'm i'm still amazed by the whole thing of putting every new microsoft game studio game just straight

On it so like hey new halo and hey here's stuff people actually are getting enthusiastic about like flight simulator all that stuff's on there right uh but bring it back to sony um so yeah um they were also just like their their rollout of some of this information was so like scatter shot like people had to go on twitter to be like oh now pre-orders are up like now um or you know it turns out demon souls is a launch title and uh so it feels weird to go out have all this time do all this build

Up and then finally when they're like ready to say this stuff it's so haphazard it's uh it feels kind of sony like like i bet if there was a an e3 or if they had like their playstation experience or whatever weird like actual show they'd have they'd just put it all out there but i think like they haven't really gotten quite the hang of say what nintendo has of okay we're gonna figure out when and where we're going to announce stuff online

And just do it and just yeah it's made sony really seem haphazard and even with the uh like i've seen for the last three main streams they've done like i would like them to put less budget in the transitions and the weird throbbing shapes they always have between the trailers and just give us some bullet points at the beginning or the end because they they need to work on formatting yeah they'll like transition to like a guy in front of a green screen and he'll say like two sentences and albeit

Yeah um but i think also i you know um the xbox xbox kind of forced their hand in a couple of ways here i feel in terms of price you know i think there was some speculation that they if they felt they could they could launch this at 600 they would have but they cannot they cannot they have to undercut microsoft or at least match microsoft they i think they would have but the ps3 debacle was still like like anyone who remembers that the fact that they had the balls to put out

A ps3 for six hundred dollars and okay this was you know some time ago yeah but like that number is almost cursed for sony and i think they had to get it into 500 both to put it in parity with the xbox series x and to just avoid the comparisons with the ps3 launch because the ps3 became a really good system but it lagged for some time because of the huge price and gaming issues yeah um and also just i think in terms of the timing of when they put this all out there like obviously like they're running out of time regardless

But xbox xbox had their hand forced because the series s leaked and all that so they were kind of like all right here's the price here's everything and then that kind of i think really started ticking clock for sony to be like okay this is also when we're coming out and we're also like the same price or a little cheaper or a little more expensive you know do you think a hundred dollar difference do you think a disk drive costs a hundred dollars

No uh it is i don't know i think like the the price isn't that's like understandable okay it's a hundred dollars and it's not you know i'm sure the actual drive itself doesn't cost nearly as much but okay there's the functionality you're taking it out you're 700 bucks whatever but i i just want them to combine the two so i can get one with a disc drive but no goiter because that weird like bulge is just the ugliest thing i've seen on a game console in like three

Generations yeah it's really something um yeah in my mind they're either overcharging for one or undercharging for the other um and you know i mean i think ultimately they're under charging because sony has like a kind of a habit of doing that and the uh you know between the ssds the new uh asus zentu uh cores i think both of these new generations are i would really love to see a tear down of just how much these components are because the pricing is wild from what they say the performance is going to be except for the xbox

Series s which is just kind of what right yeah um so i guess like in terms of just big games uh i would say the biggest new game they had that doesn't come from a hateful author is final fantasy 16. that's wild and i'm excited about it i actually really liked final fantasy 15. i still sometimes play final fantasy 14 i haven't gotten anywhere near cap the the uh the turnaround and perception on that game is really inspiring yeah uh on 14 or 15. uh 14.

Well that was because they put it out and it was so bad they had to redo it and then when they did version 2.0 then it was like oh wow this is awesome like it's one of the most epic comebacks i've seen of any game yeah it's really something yeah just square in general uh you know really like f7 remake um so yeah what do you think of the 16 trailer then yeah i kind of i kind of got vibes of both of those games from that trailer it it felt very much like it could have been ff152 like it seemed like they were hitting so

Many of the same beats of like final fantasy is a series as a whole and the whole like the primordials and these you know god beings of final fantasy xv and apparently uh i don't spoil anything for 15 if you haven't played yet but um just a lot of similarities to 15 which feels super weird because thematically and tonally all the different final fantasies outside of like the sub sequels like you know 13 2 10 2 have been wildly different and this

Just feels like kind of a more old-timey 15 but with hitting the same notes so i'm really wondering what they're going to do with it yeah i i appreciate that it also looked like a real game like people were complaining about the graphics i'm like this looks like a real game and not like a lie which i really appreciate out of a gameplay trailer yeah and it looks uh it looks real good and it's got some amazing talent behind it so you know if you're a fan of the last remnant you should be into the game and

If well i know how much you love it i'll give it a shot you know somebody somebody on pc also um yeah so yeah so kind of it for this last bit here uh so now i think all the all the important major details about both of these consoles well i guess like four of them um are now out here and we're about to go into this holiday season where theoretically some people might buy them um so yeah we're just some sort of like last thoughts here on this upcoming console generation before

Like we really get into it i'm looking forward to checking them out i'm not seeing a whole lot of uh selling points between them of like if you know obviously we need to get these things in to cover them so i'm going to get my hands on it to test it out and so we have reviews for it but if that wasn't the case i don't know personally i'd be all that enthused of spending that much on a new system until at least halfway through 2021 when some of these games are actually going to be there and

It'll be way more of a better argument for it but for now they they look good i don't know if they look that much better than the xbox one x and ps4 pro to really justify it i'm actually more excited about the supposed and we've been hearing about it for like two years as rumor the more powerful switch which might be as powerful as the ps4 hey yeah get some hyrule warriors monster hunter rise um i'm excited about those those

I know you will i know you are um yeah two monster hunter games yeah for me um you know obviously somebody's coming in this position comes sony's coming to this generation uh in a very strong position which is kind of the norm for them you know things like the ps3 and like the vita are kind of like aberrations in their history um and yeah they obviously have a very strong stable of like if they get out you know miles morales is not a full game that's still exciting

Russian and clank uh they said that the new god of war is gonna come out next year yep um if they get all that out in 2021 that's a very that's a very uh appealing lineup um i think xbox does have some appealing stuff to it too because they're doing this weird like installment plan thing like um i ever get the name for it but yeah it's not game pass but it's you know you get the system on layaway basically right and between that and xbox game pass they're

Really trying to do not game of service but game console as service yeah yeah that could be really appealing yeah they're really trying to pivot into something very different um between that and the game pass stuff and the x cloud stuff um yeah they're like really trying to make a play to be like a netflix for games and if they pull that off that's also a very great position to be in like that's like kind of uncharted territory um they could almost just be doing like people talk about how nintendo

Doesn't compete against microsoft but like if microsoft becomes that they're also like doing their own thing so we could just have peace i just get a new graphics card and not care about any of this yeah and the fact that nintendo and microsoft are now like buddies enough that hey orion the will of the whisper coming to switch so yeah it's a great game i reviewed it i'm still holding out for hit for master chief for for uh smash brothers but that would also be great and i feel like i feel like that's not impossible i'm

Surprised we haven't seen like master chief collection on switch like that's totally doable yeah um but yeah this generation is going to be weird that's really like yeah that's my biggest it's going to be very strange again it's got me caring about like graphics cards more than i ever have in my entire life yeah i feel i feel like among the hard hardcore gamers the wind has been taken out by the revelation of like the 3080 and the 30 90 and just how completely beast they are it's just because the consoles

Are just pcs now so like such a more direct comparison yeah and the fact that there's so much more power in the 30 90. like i we obviously we can't actually uh uh benchmark consoles but it's safe to say that if you build a gaming pc that costs four times more minimum than an xbox series x and has a 30 90 and it's going to be way more powerful and probably lasts a lot longer just in terms of how much you can bump up the resolution how much longer you can keep playing games on it but yeah

You'll be able to play many of you'll be able to play all of microsoft's games and like a growing number of sony's games so yeah it's gonna be interesting to see how all this mutation between generations is gonna happen and if this could be just a resurgence of pc gaming on top of it yeah i think it's i think people should care less than ever before about what exactly they're playing their thing on and just be like and just like i just want to

Play a game and like they're like multiple extremely viable options like so yeah like pledging your loyalty to one box or another i think is increasingly irrelevant and probably good for culture now you say that and that would be good but that ain't going to happen there's still going to be psychotic fanboys out there who are i will inexplicably get angry all right well we'll come back uh at the end of this generation and see and see what happened in like

Five there's even a if things even exist in another if there's even another generation of video games ever again or a generation of our lives ever again it's all just xbox now so yeah where do they move on from here all right uh will thanks so much for joining us thank you uh and yeah we'll we'll check watch out for these reviews uh on pcmag november um and then we'll see you later i'll see you next time

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