Intel PCIe PC Ghost Canyon Review: NUC Thermals, Noise, & Tear-Down

by birtanpublished on September 27, 2020

Then tells ghost Canyon compute elements is one of the companies more interesting products just like its previous Hades Canyon nook that's why Intel and AMD working together to create an Intel plus an D silicon solution for ghost Canyon the NOC team has glued a BGA CPU to a

Custom form factor motherboard complete with all the i/o cabling and the chipset and then stuck that into a PCIe sized card call it practice for intel's video card development if you'd like but the purpose of the next unit of computing

Systems from intel is to be small they've grown with this generation to accommodate traditional video cards as an option intel's intricate solution for packing a bunch of relatively high power parts into a smaller than i TX form

Factor is impressive although thermals remain the biggest question that we'll investigate today and this content will be benching thermals acoustics application performance and tearing down the nook

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Used to build the beautiful open loop systems learn more at the link of the description below the ghost Canyon nook comes with this compute element card at the heart of it and this is the really interesting part that sort of starts to

Resemble a video card it's a PCIe sized device that's basically a complete system all in this form factor it's one of the products that as an enthusiast that knock stuff like Katie's Canyon it's genuinely fun for us to play with

We've enjoyed working with it as enthusiasts but we've also had difficulty placing exactly the use case for them so this is a limited market size and in tall assuredly knows that but despite it being a limited market

Size it's really well built and something that we're going to be exploring today the biggest concern we've had though has been thermals and it's for reasons that should be immediately obvious especially you look

At our CES coverage where the compute element is sandwiched against a video card such that the two are basically back to front and you've only got the blower fan on the CPU to deal with the 1980 HK in this instance

Which is an eight-core mobile chip that'll be the biggest part of our benchmarking today along with tearing it down in terms of the pricing to get that other way first so the compute element card won't be available till later this

Year maybe q3 around there and that's going to be priced at 1364 the model with the i-9 in it it'll be priced at 904 the i7 model and then $720 to the i5 model but the whole box generally should be roughly around $1700 to i9 1250 for

The i7 and then 1050 for the i5 kit and that's going to vary based on what components companies like Coolermaster put in that or CyberPower puts in there as color masters making one of the cases that's a bit larger – it should be

Available within the next month and the standalone computer element comes later that pricing is really bad value if you use to DIY but innocent since you're paying for a custom small form-factor everything for a low volume part so

Economies of scale aren't in the Knux favour as a quick aside just to point this out we don't really talk about packaging it comes with this we thought this was a reviewer only kit so we were never going to mention it but we've been

Informed that this is actually the retail packaging and it's got a UV sensitive coat of paint on it and it comes with a backlight which honestly given how rabid and these fans are their products should probably come with the

Backlight – so moving on the most interesting aspect of this besides thermals and noise is the base board which is what everything connects to and you're limited to just a couple of PCIe lanes so you do it with 16 through the

Device into the base board and then you've got a GPU on there and you've got an option for an SSD on there as well before talking about all of that though we're gonna start with the thermals and noise part of the solution – with

Dealing with thermals is going to be the lag on the fan curve so fan curve is a big part of it and then hysteresis of the the fan curve is going to be a big part of controlling the acoustic side of the thermal solution because what you

Don't want is the fan to jump too much when it detects any type of small load and we'll talk about that in this content as well the other thing to consider is that video cards are loaded with flip chip BGA components so the

Memory it's all flip chip that means the silicon is closer to the back of the PCB than it is to the top of the memory module and for that reason you have a lot of radiative heat off the back side of the video card that

Is now butted immediately against a blower fan for the CPU so that's one of the things we're gonna be looking at we collected noise at a controlled 20 inch distance which is our standard measurement distance for tests the

Charts were going to show here will illustrate noise over time in response to actions on the computer here's the first chart before formally starting the test we had already noticed what you're seeing signified by those white blips on

The radar the fan ramps at around the forty second mark the first white blip when we opened 3dmark that's not launching the workload it's not launching the actual exe for 3dmark it's literally just opening the 2d interface

That produces zero percent load on the GPU and nearly zero on the CPU just opening something waking the nook from a low-power state drove the fan to 38 DBA for a few seconds the immediate ramp down is what's more annoying though most

Users find that noise change is more noticeable than just a flat higher noise level the fan ramps again towards 38 DBA this one caused simply from opening hardware info and explorer.exe and then the fan noise dives back down towards

The noise floor the next white blip is around when three mark actually starts the fan charges to 47 DBA then settles at about 45 for a few seconds and then dives back toward 33 DBA over the next nine minutes or so the noise level

Steadily Rises and has occasional fan speed bursts these bursts happen when a temperature threshold is tripped it seems that the fan curve needs more hysteresis more lag because it'll overreact and blast the speed to try and

Settle for what might be a 1 degree difference in target temperature the average noise was about 38 DBA at 20 inches which isn't bad overall it's just the change that matters this is actually completely reasonable and only a little

Bit louder than our standardized the noise task for PC cases and tell us that much better than we expected at keeping overall noise levels down especially given how small all the fans are but the company needs to tune its fan profile to

Be less aggressive towards those small blips our next noise test was with a more torturous Wirth look for this one rather than starting from a complete idle low-power state we started from a lightweight desktop usage from things

Like opening notepad some file browsing and so forth this means that we didn't exit to a low-power idle state when starting the test so the fan ramp isn't nearly as aggressive for this one we started at around 28 DBA and then we

Went through some spiky fan behavior between 38 DBA and 42 DBA the fans then Tom down to about 33 before climbing into the 40s for the remainder of the torture test when we say torture we mean both the CPU and GPU are under 100%

Workload between fur mark and prime so this is about as bad as it gets if for some reason you told your nook to fold for example this would probably be about the results for noise levels both tests put the knock around the same

Place for noise 43 DBA is starting to get annoying and is certainly louder than we typically experience in an ATX case but it's by no means deafening the most important thing is predictable stable noise rather than the erratic

Noise that's experienced under lower power desktop usage that's what people will notice far more the ghost Canyon knock has some extra sensors inside the enclosure that are useful for thermal measurement and potentially useful for

Fan programming following these sensors rather than the CPU sensors may be a solution for the fans beat similar to following a liquid temperature sensor the first thermal burn is for 3dmark fire strike extreme the next one will be

For the torture test and then we'll take it apart and look to see what the solution looks like inside here's the sensor chart first one is label to internal ambient another one is fan air vent we'd assume that this is at the fan

Inlets we'll look for these again in the disassembly section and we also measure ambient temperature for every second during our tests so we'll put that on the temperature chart first room ambient was about 22 to 23 degrees during the

Entire test the internal ambient temperature began at around 36 degrees when idle putting us at an internal to external Delta of about 14 degrees within 5 minutes the temperature clients to 42 degrees or a delta of 20 degrees

Inside the outside it wasn't until the 10 82nd mark or about 18 minutes that we finally reached a steady state internally that mark was 45 degrees a delta of about 22 degrees the air vent sensor reads steady-state about two

Minutes later at 54 degrees Celsius here's a chart of the CPU thermals under the 3d mark stress test remember that three mark graphics is primarily a GPU workload as most games we don't typically see CPUs

Get that hot in this particular workload but the sandwich to nature of the Nook changes that the all-court average temperature sits warmly at 60 degrees Celsius but this is still significantly lower than we might have expected

Overall the thermals are reasonably controlled and that's largely thanks to the 38 to 40 s DBA noise level at the 20 inch measured distance even still we have to give credit to Intel for a thermal design that out does what

Initial visual impressions would lead us to believe it seems that someone has built a blower fan that finally does a decent job without being a tornado but the reason for that is because we're talking about a CPU which are there

Typically and this one is lower power parts then the average GPU that's cooled by a blower fan looking at the per core maximum which fluctuates depending on which core is hit with a task the peaks are about 80 degrees consistently with

One spike towards 87 at the end overall as these are maximum temperatures and not the all core average we consider this to be five the only time it wouldn't be fine as if you were overclocking at which point you start

Introducing limitations to the maximum of all core OC because a few specific cores are running hot and might trip into t.j.maxx or thermal protection GPU and drive thermals are last for the 3dmark burn the GPU added up had about

70 degrees flat and that's just because of how GPU BIOS works it's rare that we see GPUs fluctuating temperatures since V BIOS often dictates a GPU temperature target and then since the fans to follow that target no matter what and we're not

Controlling the fans here because the point was to see how it behaves out of box and what the noise levels are drive temperature for what it's worth was about 60 degrees Celsius on the PCIe OS drive or about 40 for the unused storage

Drive these temperatures barely move under a non iya workload so it just sort of looks like a square wait for the FIR mark and prime95 torture test we finally found the braking points of the Nook the unit ran a cpu average core temperature

Of just over eighty degrees not bad for an average up until a ten eighty second mark at which point our prime95 workload stopped and only the FIR mark workload continued on the GB is sat at 67 – 68 degrees for the duration of the workload

For frequency we see frequency fluctuations between 3,000 megahertz all core and 30 400 megahertz all core with only fir mark running towards the end and no more load on the CPU the frequency

Returned it to its forty six hundred and forty seven hundred megahertz boost and there was a although not shown spike in core temperature to about one hundred degrees for a split second where we had some throttling and then it returned

Back down to better understand all these thermal numbers we should probably take a closer look at the inside of the Intel Ghost Canyon Nook not too much has changed on core components in CES but this particular chassis is new to us and

There have been a few changes to its implementation so take part the Nook is not too difficult as it's sold by Intel you need two screwdrivers you'll need a Phillips head zero so we've got one of those from arrow on tool kit and then

Also a eventually if Phillips had two or one would work as well and two screws in the back so just on stock of this and this is where it's actually pretty well thought out I didn't think when I first took this apart didn't think we'd be

Giving them credit so soon in the process for design but the reason that this we like this is really simple there's this cable catch right here so these are two exhaust fans obviously we should measure these two so these are 80

Ml fans they're both exhaust and a couple things that are done really well immediately here the cable catches one and if we look in the top of the nook that's because they don't have a lot of places to put cables it's a mini ITX

Build functionally and it's in its core and that means there's a bunch cables that end up potentially sticking up out of the top so this thing it's not meant for dust or anything like that it's just to stop cables from getting as a fan and

You can tell because they didn't put it on the other one so that's pretty small detail that's really well done and for the fans they've done it like modern video cards where it's pinned the pad basically so you've got these pins as

Opposed to using standard fan cables the cables connect here and then you just connect the pins to the front of the device up there so that's the top of the knock that handles most of the cooling you'll feel a lot of hot air coming out

Of there both sides are mesh as stated earlier this is job well done by Intel for whoever their their case partner was for listening to the criticisms we've had for a couple years now video card ends

Are breathing through the mesh panel and because the way this one's oriented this particular model its fins are oriented left-to-right so you can get mostly exhaust well Asus has done a poor job here perhaps unsurprisingly for

Their video cards these days but their plastic shroud this is an ace whose problem on Intel problem plastic shroud is covering where really there should be exhaustion out of the case so you lose some of the benefit of what they've

Designed and what's gonna happen as most the air will probably end up coming out of the top of the system these are Philips one screws in the back Phillips zero screws for the sides and our screwdriver kits are coming back in

Stock we just placed orders for those in the meantime we also have the medium mod mat which I'm working on right now that's the anti-static surface there with some reference pin outs on it although as you'll see in a moment this

One has some unique pin outs and you can grab this on stored out gamers Nexus dotnet if you want to pick it up so this parts not too hard it it vexed me the first time I did it but you have to take this thing off and then you can

Flex the chassis like that and pull the video card out once that supports out of there so another small detail intel's done well a connector to turn it into a right angle plug which is another way to cut

Maybe a quarter of an inch off the height USB type-c on the top standard EPS 12 volt eight pin on the top as well we can get to a 10 pin connector in a second they've tucked that into some teeth on

The side of the i/o bracket oh we need to disconnect the wireless as well which is up here okay so this cable this goes to the front of the case that's going to be where the fans connect so that's your your fan power and connection to in tach

To the rest of the computer I think this is HD audio we've got another connector over here which is going to be at least some data this looks like the front panel connection all the lights and the power button that goes to a separate PCB

For that and then there's this thing which is just like I mean it says do not remove very clearly there so this I don't remember seeing this at CES maybe it was there but this thing is I think it's just to sit between the blower fan

Here and whatever card ends up in front of it I'm pretty sure it's just to make sure that there's always this amount of space for it to pull air so you can see that the chassis cuts in a little bit and you've got an area where just the

Blower fans exposed so even if a backplate busts up straight against this thing there's still a tiny gap that's going to be inadequate for cooling but it will make sure that the card doesn't completely torch itself so pretty sure

That's why that do not remove is there it's just to sit between the two now there are going to be some models coming from other people cooler masters working on one this is called the baseboard and cooler master with its version

Wants to take Intel's reference base board here and space these two slots for their part compute element sits in this one video card sits in this one Kota Masters trying to add a bit of space to help with the thermals that will also

Widen the chassis though but Coolermaster is also going for a longer chassis and we saw that at CES we can pop some footage on the screen of what theirs will look like but that's the base board and then before we talk about

The rest I'm gonna pull the base board out and then we'll look at how that one's connected this is where it's kind of interesting so this is a tenpin this is the first time we've really seen 10 pin power connectors it's not quite

Atx12v oh we thought it was so there's a bit of a rata for you and Intel should have corrected us on this when we emailed them for help with the 12 vo piece but this 12 vo specifically has 12 volt standby and this still has 5 volt

Standby so it's not exactly 12 vo and actually I can prove that right now here's the power supply it's got a tiny blower fan it looks like a 40 mil in the back that's exhaust and then it's relying on just pressure on in this

Instance negative pressure at the front of the power supply there's a bit of a grill and that's where the air comes in for the PSU now we're just going to take apart the rest of the compute element which I haven't done since CES and we'll

Talk about the cooling solution here's the interior of the compute element this is the part that will be unchanging because this is the part that Intel makes and is the motherboard more or less that's what it is you've got an SSD

Slot here another m dot 2 slot here they include small aluminum heat sinks for them that are actually finned they won't receive any really any meaningful airflow from the blower fan here but fins nonetheless CMOS is inside of the

Chassis connects to the board by cable the fan is a small blower fan and that's a soon on maglev fan actually they're the supplier one of the old suppliers anyway of course Ayers maglev fans fun trivia for you

This one is about a thing we typically call that about a 40 mil and that's gonna be the fan the fan bots up against this aluminum fin stack and then you've got a vapor chamber underneath which we know for a number of reasons but one of

The most obvious towels is that tail right there that's from a vapor chamber you can always identify them by that that's not a tiny heat pipe and then the rest I think we're gonna need to take this off next so here's the heat sink

And find on 80 HK is right there and there's no IHS on that so instead you connect directly to a vapor chamber so you've got vrm components cooled by this throw pad then we've got so Dems so laptop memory here HyperX and the

Solution is what they pre-installed and over here there's some jumpers for resets that I'm not 100% positive what those reset I'd have to look into it and then the fan connector right there so that pretty much recaps the entire

Interior of the thin and the case and a bit on the power supply it's a very compact solution that manages to to handle itself thermally better than we expected and a lot of that's just because of the way they designed the

Thermal solution at the lowest level closest to the silicon after that you're basically relying on a bit of a louder fan but not too bad overall better than expected time to look at production and gaming performance we'll start with two

Quick production benchmarks Adobe Premiere and blender and then we'll talk gaming a quick note we hacked together and out of shell ghost cannon nook with a 20 80 TI XE ultra for the GPU but this isn't it's not it's not what you'd call

A supported configuration in case that wasn't obvious it also doesn't come with the random Naga mounting hardware box as the motherboard stand this configuration was only used to standardize with the rest

Of our CPU benchmarks for our upcoming game tests but for the most part we ran both the 2017 and 2018 configurations the first of which was in the box for Adobe Premiere our simpler 1080p60 show floor rng render required about five

Minutes to render on both versions of our ghost cannon nook the GPU doesn't really impact this type of premiere workload cuda is a great equalizer for these renders although we have newer ones that will show more of a difference

The five-minute time puts ghost Canyon near the 8700 case stock CPU and faster than the 9600 case stock CPU with a reduction in render time of 11 percent the 4k 60 render has ghost Canyon at about fifteen point five

Minutes behind the six core 12 thread 87 RK and entire frequency affording the 8700 K a time reduction of 2 percent the 99 a th k-8 core part finishes the render at about 4 percent less time than the am the r7 1704 tile-based renderer

Blender we're using our GN monkeyhead render and our GN logo render both of which are designed to be CPU intensive but in different ways blender spawns one tile per thread and is highly core and thread dependent but frequency still

Matters for the monkey heads up first the ghost Canyon knocked required twenty five point nine minutes to complete this render for comparison the 8700 k-6 court well thread CPU required about 26 minutes so the roughly even the and the

R7 1700 required about twenty eight point two minutes allowing the ninety nine eighty HK a bit of an advantage in this test although not typically choosing specifically between these two parts just a point of reference CBO

Naming has always been weird when you consider the crossover between desktop laptop and OC laptop parts and that shows here this part is more similar to 8000 series Intel CPUs for the GN logo render the 99 ATH k-8 core part required

33.6 minutes to complete the render putting it between the 8700 K and 1700 sock CPUs that's mostly predictable positioning if you wanted to build a mini ITX box similar to this but it may be a more standard form factor you'd be

Looking at something like an 87 or k 9700 k or an r5 3600 to achieve similar performance on these charts will quickly look at some gaming benchmarks next we're keeping these short since it's sort of like benchmarking just any

Computer you can customize the parts with a nook so since we don't know the fixed configuration that everyone's going to use because it's not fixed we're just going to test for the RT x 2070 config that was shipped to us and

For a standardized configuration with our xx atti the standardized one is what we use for CPU benching so it equalizes for GPU performance to instead show the unconstrained cpu performance so that we

Can understand how good the CPU is ignoring the GPU aspect civilizations starts us off this is a turn time benchmark so it's measured in seconds rather than frame rate we're at about 34 seconds per turn for this one on average

The Nook performs the same as the am the r7 3808 core CPU the 8700 K Intel CPU and slightly faster than the stock 9600 K Intel CPU the actual 9000 series chips are much higher in the stack including the 10 9 8 exe which might as well be a

9000 series chip at 30 2.9 seconds actually might as well be a 7000 series chip but you got the idea for Assassin's Creed at 1080p the r-tx 2070 variant of the Nook exhibits some GPU limitations that artificially reduce its ranking as

A cpu against other CPUs in the chart but this is a valid measurement of how the total configuration performs at 105 FPS averages constraints to 8400 levels of performance as for the more fair comparison the 20 atti coupling has it

At 9600 case stock levels of performance about 113 FPS average with loes times well behind at 79 and 70 FPS for 0.1% lows frame time consistency is good on the 99 a thk CPU and that's one of its strong points the r5 3600 though manages

To outperform the 980 HK overall so if you just wanted to build a small ITX box and you didn't need the special form factor or unique approach to the PCB then the 3600 might be a good choice at this price point 1440p limits the RT x

2070 configuration more showing that there's room yet for the CPU if the GPU isn't restricting it the takeaway is that you may want to consider an RT x 2070 super instead better enabling the ghost Canyon nock to leverage its CPU

The CPU constrains configuration runs at 108 FPS average about equal to an AMD r7 2,700 X and r5 3600 and not distant from the i5 9600 K stock CPU GTA 5 has the knock at about 103 FPS average to 105 FPS average depending on the GPU that

Puts it nearer the overclocked 6700 K and the stock 8700 K then any other desktop CPU once again it seems the benchmark for this one is the coffee like 8700 K the r5 3600 from AMD is also a good comparison for total war

Warhammer to the 20 atti equipped knock was more similar to the 6700 case stock than anything else although with improved frame times the 7600 K is also close by it's not very impressive for a CPU with nine in the name for this game

But that designation also changes with whether it's a desktop or a mobile part at the end of all of this then the PCIe bandwidth test we did throw that in here and we did a few things so we did for example the most abusive possible

Workload of the PCIe bandwidth tester under 3dmark which is not realistic for gaming at all it's much more abusive on the PCIe bus than anything else and running that alongside running SSD benchmarks saw us mostly retaining the

Speed of both devices there were times when we'd see increased latency to the SSD specifically the right latency seemed to be impacted so there's there's going to be some fade in performance when using both devices heavily we don't

Typically test SSDs in a serious capacity anymore these days so we're not fully equipped to do the deepest dive type of testing I'd like to do on that but overall if you are planning to do an i/o intensive workload on the same base

Board through the the PCIe bus at the same time as you're doing a GPU intensive workload you will likely encounter at least some sort of impact latency and/or the speed of both devices but we were unable to see a significant

Impact when using the card that comes with it which is a 27 now if you were to somehow do a 2080 upgrade which isn't really supported by the power supply but you did something custom that might be a different story so additional use cases

Of the compute element would mostly we think involve trying to figure out how to get it working as a secondary system inside of your main system without buying a full dual system case like an evolve X you could potentially fit all

This into a normal ATX case and then it might be interesting as something like say a a box to handle your file compression albeit less efficiently than a larger Tower with more expensive components could or you could use it as

A box to handle your stream encoding again less cost efficiently than doing a capture card and the host system or then well just using a more expensive CPU or for example so use cases are not the easiest to find for the enthusiast

Audience there are systems that will have this embedded in the back of monitors making it an AO and all-in-one system there's also use cases just using it as a desktop and as your only computer it's

Got deployments obviously and travel where you could plug it into a hotel TV you bring an IR sensing phone with you and you can maybe access the service mode is one of our patreon backers recently told us and bring a keyboard

Mouse with you so there's a lot of use cases surrounding that travel unfortunately right now probably not a large market for anything but that's kind of where it falls let us know what you'd maybe use this for if you were

Going to buy one but the build quality is very good intel has done a fantastic job of cramming in a lot of parts into a box assembling it in a clever way they've got thermal sensors in there also that read and Hardware info so it's

Standardized and they've done small things like putting the I don't know if you want to call that a manifold or what but the plastic shroud between the blower fan and the video cards there's a lot of fine details that were really

Paid attention to well and it's just a matter of finding use cases for it so that's it for this one fun to work with really interesting product a small market but well built and that will cover us for the Intel Ghost Canyon nook

Thermals by the way as a quick recap overall much better than we expected and noise is a bit jumpy but you should probably go fix that yourself with a custom fan group and as a quick aside the BIOS on this system

It's got ups and downs but it's also much better than we expected it's clear that Intel's taking some of its old motherboard visual BIOS team and implemented it here anyway that's it thanks for watching subscribe for more I

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