HW News – New 80-Core CPU, Intel Behind Until 2021, AMD Zen 3 & 4

by birtanpublished on October 3, 2020

Everyone welcome back to another hardware news recap for the week we are in Taipei right now working on a factory tour series and we actually have a point for you to comment on regarding that but for the news recap we'll be talking about YouTube reviewing its human malware D monetization policies but it hasn't reviewed them yet so I still can't say the word and I am DS financial analyst day for 2020 was packed with a lot of information we'll need to go over Intel's got some news coming up for a new test site in Costa Rica that's been certified and it also has some commentary on process leadership and its

Inability to regain leadership for a couple of years and then we'll be covering the El Capitan supercomputer and some ampère 80 core server chips before that this video is brought to you by coursers hydro x water cooling series of course our strength is bringing water cooling to the masses and it has built out cooling solutions with industry leaders to help newcomers get into open-loop cooling Corsair has fittings adapters GP water blocks CPU water blocks pump res combos and radiators all available in the Hydra X line as you can see in our footage these kits can be

Used to build a beautiful open loop systems learn more at the link in the description below alright so for the first one we're gonna be visiting with a lot of people I noted this in the ass PM that's coming up as well but basically we'd like you to leave comments in the comment section below for any questions you might have that we could pose to kingpin or hi cookie who are both professional overclockers kingpin works for EVGA hi cookie works for gigabyte and we're going to be spending time in each of their labs working with them on just some coverage in general but

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News item YouTube is reviewing its human malware D monetization we we still can't say the words like CV or anything related to it because right now it's d monetizing videos for reference of the thing and that's because a couple things so first of all it's in the title you get flagged immediately and if you say it verbally YouTube has a really cool transcripts automation procedure except that doesn't mean that it'll scan and find words so it can find things like swear words and you get partial D monetization or it can find things like sensitive topics which

Is currently what the human malware is identified as YouTube tweeted and ironically I can't read the full tweet because we would get D monetized but and we did talk about bleeping it but then we would get flagged for swearing because YouTube sees bleeps as a swear and then you get partial D monetization but anyway the tweet said quotes who protect people from misinformation we're removing videos that violate the policies discourage people from seeking medical treatment or encourage the use of harmful cures to treat the thing and it also they had another tweet that says

Quote given the rapidly updating news and education on human malware we are reviewing our monetization policies around videos that discuss the virus more to come and then they said lastly we are donating advertising space to at whu-oh and local government authorities and impacted regions to help educate and inform their communities end of quote for that so that's the update on YouTube's policies they haven't rolled it out yet but presumably when they do we can stop doing stupid workarounds next one and the Financial Analysts day 2024 Zen three and four and Navi 2x news

That came out and II just finished holding its Andy Financial Analysts day where it outlined several developments on the horizon there's a lot of information here so we're gonna unpack as much of it as we can as efficiently as we can and it may be it may be worth revisiting some of these topics individually in more depth as more information comes out but for now we'll just recap it quickly for you a lot of the information we've seen before some of it though is new and then there's also been some updates and modifications to information that AMD has put out

Previously on its public roadmaps first item and the note that it has shipped more than 260 million x86 Zen core since the launch of Zen in 2017 and according to AMD that rate is apparently doubling they also said Zen 3 will begin rollout in late 2020 with the full product stack for that being available by end of 2021 and while we and everyone else previously sought thought that Zen 3 would be a 7 nanometre plus node by TSMC and these seems to be walking that back that expectation dropping the + designation from its most recent roadmaps and he

Clarified that oils n 3 will use enhancements beyond vanilla 7 nanometre it didn't say Zen 3 won't use EUV but that it will instead very case-by-case so we'll learn more about which cases those are as things approach as a reminder TSMC currently has to process nodes beyond its first generation n 7 there's the n7p which is duv based and 7p is mostly an optimized continuation of n 7 that recycles the same design rules and tools as n 7 so it's IP compatible then there's also n 7 plus which is TSM C's the first process that adapts EUV for certain layers and we're

Sure to learn more about this in the future as well next Andy is currently developing its n4 architecture and it's targeting a 2022 release for that the Zen 4 cores will apparently be built on 5 nanometer so that'll be a change as well epic Millan is the successor to epic roam the currently deployed newest epic CPUs and it's on track for a late 2020 launch as well and of course the desktop parts typically roughly coincide with those server launches Malan will use that these n3 architecture and use an improved iteration of 7 nanometre whether that's TSM Steve's n7p

Or n7 + remains to be seen at this point further out is Genoa which we've briefly mentioned in Andy's El Capitan supercomputer news kind of later epic Genoa will be based on Zen 4 and that one has a much later release date expected 5 nanometer for a 2022 launch on that one MD also had news on Infiniti fabric interconnects now being known as in the architecture rather than infinity fabrics they're leaning further into it and that begins with the third generation of the technology and the previously announced that El Capitan

Will use the third gen infinity architecture and how it's an increased CPU to GPU memory coherency other than a rough 2020 to launch date though nothing more is really known at this time about the updates to infinity fabric and the rebrand it hasn't been in the architecture and these also splitting its GPU architectures into a few pieces so our DNA is going to remain as a consumer line that was the semi replacement for GCN and he made a big point when our DNA came out that GCN would still be alive although when they said that kind of felt like they were

Just trying to reassure people who had maybe recently purchased professional class cards that it wasn't a dead purchase but our DNA is remaining for client and then they have another one called cDNA for compute and data center customers as for how cDNA will differentiate from our DNA and it's gaming focused deployment we're not sure yet and he hasn't specified but at least the designations are known at this point and be sure to roadmap outline of the two generations of cDNA cdnas cDNA one is supposed to be seven nanometer and cDNA two is supposed to be on an

Unspecified node or again 2022 maybe five we know that cDNA 2 will rely heavily on third gen infinity architecture which was just announced and no doubt el capitan is set to use CD and 82 as well a couple more items two more from anthias a big analyst day for them they have e2x seems to be what AMD is targeting for its big navvy chip that's been discussed for a while we know that big navvy is a thin Lisa sue talks about it quite a while ago at this point but there's also been a lot of BS rumors out there some of which we've covered a SK Hynix recently debunked one

Of them officially anyway now b2x will be based on our DNA – according to AMD our DNA – will bring up to a 50% performance per watt improvement to be extremely clear here that doesn't necessarily translate to a 50% improvement in rasterization performance for example 50% performance per watt means that you could you have an efficiency increase but not and probably a performance increase but not necessarily a straight 50% improvement and what we perceive as performance which would typically be illustrated as maybe FPS or render time or something

Like that instead you're looking at what performance do you get at a given power consumption so this improvement will extend further with our DNA 3 set for 2022 our DNA – based GPUs are expected for later this year and then the final item from AMD is that they also unveiled what appears to be a response to Intel's Favreau's technology in the form of what Andy calls x3d die stacking Intel's fatherís was also making a big deal out of daya stacking multiple dies seems to be the way of the future rather than monolithic solutions andy is framing x3d die stacking and packaging as a natural

Evolution from its past MCM and chip with designs seen Andy stack multiple dies atop a single interposer exactly what dies in elements Andy plans to incorporate here aren't known yet however Andy is promising a 10x increase in the bandwidth density apparently and we'll learn more about that later in tom certifies a Costa Rica site for testing and finishing operations for CPUs and a recent product change notification or PCN Intel puts these out regularly for existing products the company revealed that it's preparing to bring a fourth site online for test and finish which is

Part of its processor manufacturing operations and that's going to be online in Costa Rica the additional site should help ease Intel's manufacturing woes and ability to meet demand however lo it may at times be and for the meantime it's targeting cascade Lake SP and cascade Lake our xeon chips specifically the PCN states that costa rica's operations will roll out in phases starting april 19th of 2020 the remaining operations should come online by August 3rd of 2020 so you might see some easing of some of the supply constraints by then at least for Xeon

Part another Intel news item on this one Intel noted itself that it won't regain process leadership until post 2021 recently at the Morgan Stanley analysts conference Intel CFO George Davis offered some exceedingly rare in on behalf of Enzo most notably Davis laid bare that despite the fact that Intel is currently shipping 10 nanometre in the form of ice lake y-you and agile X FPGAs the 10 nanometer node simply won't be as productive or as profitable as 14 nanometer and it certainly won't match the iconic 22 nanometer that spit out as well and Ivybridge the quote was

It look this just isn't going to be the best note that Intel has ever made it's going to be less productive than 14 less productive than 22 the fact is like I said it isn't going to be as strong a note as people would expect from 14 or what they'll see in seven that was by George Davis from Intel Davis also affirmed that Intel is firmly behind its manufacturing competitors and process technology and process leadership tsmc biggest competitor right now in this processor space at least is currently at 7 nanometers and moving forward with 700 plus EUV which has been discussed for it

It feels like decades at this point but it's finally happening and we have if you're interested in EUV and what that is a video with david cantor from a couple years ago a technical analyst who's very good in this industry explaining more of what that is so it's expected that Intel's 10 nanometer will match TSMC 7 nanometer non-eu v in terms of transistor density and when Intel launches its own seven animated UV based node by end of 2021 Davis predicts that only then will Intel reach parity with the competition who will of course also be advancing at the

Same time however Intel isn't expected to recapture a process lead until some unspecified point beyond 2021 the quote continues so we bring a lot of capability to the table for our customers in addition to the CPU and we feel like we're starting to see the acceleration on the process that we've been talking about to get back to you know parity and the 7 nanometer generation and regain leadership in the 5 nanometer generation so Intel at this point hasn't explicitly stated when it expects 5 nanometer will arrive however Intel has expressed a desire to get back

To a two-year manufacturing cadence which could land the new node in late 2023 although 2024 may be more likely and again has a full transcription from the conference if you're interested in reading the whole thing and the rest of the quotes a couple more news items here el capitan supercomputer to use and these epic Genoa and Radeon instinct and the end cray now owned by HPE will partner together with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to build the El Capitan supercomputer which is expected to be the world's fastest supercomputer

Upon completion in 2023 the supercomputer will exceed 2 exa flops of double-precision floating-point operational power or FP 6400 Capitan marks the second access scale level supercomputer that features both anti CPUs and GPUs the first one if you recall we covered when it was news also and that was frontier and Alchemy's Hana will feature and these are fourth-generation epic chips codenamed Genoa and based on Zen four cores additionally AMD will provide next-generation as they call it Radeon instinct GPUs and the supercomputer will

Be based on crazy hasta platform which is a tried-and-true platform at the exascale level that's been out for a little bit El Capitan will also use craze slingshot interconnect each blade in the supercomputer will around a four to one configuration with four GPUs connected to one CPU and Andy is a third generation infinity architecture infinity fabric is now called infinity architecture is also going to be in the plan El Capitan will replace Sierra and will primarily be used for nuclear weapons modeling we're looking forward to the future NC CAF 1703 – B

Constitution class supercomputer and fear computing officially unveils 80 core ultra server chips last December we mentioned that ampere computing was starting to ramp up and prep an 80 core server chip and was looking to compete most directly with Amazon based on arms n1 architecture for this one at the time the chip was codenamed Quicksilver and would primarily compete against Amazon's own home-brewed arm server chip the graviton – which we always liked an attacks branding of this one as the anti graviton or anti-graft it now ampere has officially unwrapped ultra we don't have

An official list of SKUs or prices at this time but we have some basics on it we know that ultra will scale up to 80 cores and we know that all cores will be single threaded per the n1 architecture and will be isolated from course sharing security vulnerabilities ultra is built on TSM CS and seven process and is rated for a three gigahertz all core frequency ultra will also boast eight channels for ddr4 3200 memory 128 PCIe gen 4 lanes and has a TDP that's varying between 45 and 210 watts for its various SKUs Ultra will roll out to reference designs there's one called Mount Snow and one

Called mountain Jade Mount snow is a single socket configuration mount Jade is a dual socket configuration either design can be had in one you or two you form factors and additionally each design will offer support for sixteen memory modules per socket and come replete with PCIe John 4 and CCI X attachments ultra is currently being sampled with amperes early customers and is slated for volume production mid 2020 and then looks like we've got two more here recent Windows updates so there's a recent Windows Update specifically Windows 10 marks KB four five three five

Nine nine six that's seen reports of multiple issues despite Microsoft having not yet officially acknowledged any of those issues at time of filming as is often the case the KB update was set to fix bugs including one where the the search box was not rendering properly in Windows the last Windows updates often cut both ways and this one's caused some new issues as reported by Windows latest and several users online the sign tool has been crashing after installing the update additionally redditors are reporting FPS drops and games as well as audio issues

And that's all post KB for five three five nine nine six some users are also reporting that boot times have tanked for them or that their pcs have been hanging in an infinite boot loop really good QC on this one for now the best course is to avoid the patch it is an optional patch which means that you haven't had it automatically applied yet if you went and manually applied it then you can remove it by going to settings update history and then you can uninstall that specific KB number finally see Sonic brains Computex 2018 concepts to market finally

Has always come out at a bit of a latency see sonic appears to be bringing is 2018 concepts now known as SSR – 750 F a to market and that's a Kinect ssr74 the f8 Connect solution the name is different originally it was called the system cable management device or SCM d the idea remains the same though the C Sonic connect essentially trades the modular connections on the power supply itself instead for a single unit that attaches via magnet to the backside of your cases motherboard tray or more suitably perhaps into the now somewhat popularized kill management channels

That come in cases like NZXT although we don't know if it'll explicitly fit in that one all the components of power supply connections are made through this hub instead with it shorter modular cables rather than coming out of the power supply the difference here from kalo extensions is not much the hub is powered and tethered to the power supply via two bundled cables and then the power supply itself is C Sonic 750 watt prime model 80 plus gold certified the company hasn't mentioned what the connect will cost but it did mention that time to market is varying depending

On location now couple of obvious things here compatibility with cases on something like this going to be all over the place and probably not great for a lot of them you are adding a very large attachment to the back so you're gonna have clearance issues with the panel and then also issues with routing the cables it would be interesting for cable management channels if it fits in them and another concern – that we'd have to look into would be the power capabilities of the single cable that's connecting the module to the power supply you need some pretty thick wire

Gauge there to prevent any issues when it's under full load but something interesting at least different in the industry kind of skeptical of how widespread it'll be though its compatibility is going to be the biggest problem and that it has the most chance to kill a product when it comes out so that's it for this one remember to leave your questions below for any of the overclockers or maybe factories that were visiting this week we'll try to skim through them and see which ones we can address for with with the professionals we meet with and

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